Joining a Global Community

[Tipsy]

The basic question is, are you in favor of your country, whatever country it might be, joining or creating an organization that would put more binding influence from an international consensus on your country.

What this basically means is would you want your country to be a member of a United Nations type organization that has teeth (and would purposively be more effective because of this change). The thing is, for this to ever happen it would require nations to give up some of their sovereignty and would allow an international consensus to put regulations on all member states.

I'll expand on it later, but I wouldn't be willing to give up any sovereignty to join this sort of organization.

[x42bn6]

If the entire board was impartial (i.e. United Nations minus Security Council and minus veto), then yes, I would allow it. The only bias is during a vote, where that country has more say.

I would love a voting system like the Eurovision Song Contest, too, where citizens vote... But that is utopia. *

[Lizardbreath]

It would be nice but I doubt it would ever happen. The United States and China like having all the power in this world and won't give up the United Nations anytime soon.

[Tempest Storm]

No. I simply don't trust delegates, citizens, and leaders of foreign nations to have our best interests at heart.

We let anyone in the UN. Dictators, democracies, republics, theocracies, ect, ect. There is no common consensus. No common values that all countries share. No common rights.

Besides, democracies and republics eventually turn into dictatorships anyway, a world democracy would be no different, considering the amount of idiots, religious zealots, supersticious morons, and despotic power mongers out there who can easily be manipulated by someone smart and calculating enough.

[Arxces]

I think it would be much better if the international organisation existed to regulate only international issues, not intra-national ones. This way power won't be taken from the nation's people for self-determination, but the people's power to determine the fates of other nations would be limited.

[B~E]

I'd supporte a North Atlantic regional organisation, regarding issues who are not covered by NATO, such as economy, immigration and culture.

[Tempest Storm]

I'm not down for a North American version of the Euro Union. America and Canada, fine lands respectively, but with different cultures, would only breed discontentment and resentment if the other were allowed say in the others domestic affairs.

You be telling us to raise our taxes, nationalize our health care, get rid of our guns, and we'ld be telling you to outlaw pot, let your people own full automatic 50 caliber machine guns, hike up the price on your pills, and purge Quebec of all the "Frenchies". I don't see it getting much farther past that until the invasion of the mounties begin, and we're forced to nuke your vast permafrost fields washing you aaaallllll away.

[KCspdracer]

Most of the UN is made up of dictators. I want my country (USA) to remain sovereign.

[Гражданин СССР]

Im against it, naturally, sovereignty is all that a nation really has, the most valuable resource. If you give up your sovereignty you give up your national identity plus the advertised benefits are scarce at best. Poor get poorer, rich get richer in this types of organizations and there is no way around that.

[AZN_FLEA]

can someone explain what this is all about? sovereignity, and what tipsy said. i sense searching this up on google wont help much.

to get the general gist of the topic...the more you have to lose, the less willing you will be. poor desperate countries might want to join global communities where your "sovereignity" is taken away to receive as much help as you can. although this is highly unliekly because the people at the top of piss poor countries are usually corrupt and power hungry.

my 2cents

[Гражданин СССР]

Also lets take WTO for example, Mexico joined WTO to improve its struggling economy, its economy only got worse. Foreign companies from rich countries like US came in, bought everything and now get piss cheap labor for products that are barely taxed than going over the border. People in Mexico are stuck in hopeless jobs that don't pay them enough to survive, almost slave labor, yet capitalism flourishes.

[AZN_FLEA]

hmmm thats a very good example you have.

what i think is that, its not the mexicans fault, it is the countries that are exploiting it.

what i meant earlier was that it is easier to lose sovereignity if you are a piss poor country. joining a community that takes sovereignity but offers protection will seem like a better alternative than to being wiped out by another state or country, or maybe even civil war. if any of these cases occur, the country is more or less destroyed anyway.

i dont believe in losing identity and am a strong believer in a moral and honorable life. i think that keeping soveriegnity is important but soemtimes there may be times when you have to give it up for the good of your country. i dont have any examples of this but the expression "**** happens" sums up what i just said nicely.

im really sleepy right now, dont destory me if i contradict myself.

[Гражданин СССР]

Well once again look at my example, Mexico gave up part of its sovereignty to the WTO and was only hurt by it.

[Undead Cheese]

It isn't practical in today's world, at least democratically. Why should Chinese or Indian values have more say than mine do while we're in my corner of the world?

[Гражданин СССР]

Originally Posted by Undead Cheese

It isn't practical in today's world, at least democratically. Why should Chinese or Indian values have more say than mine do while we're in my corner of the world?

Agreed, even the European Union that theoretically is composed of nations with very similar values is yet to have all or even a majority of its member states ratify a single European constitution that failed to pass in 2005. National pride and national identity will always get in the way of this and similar notions.

[dArKmIsChIeF]

i agree...
btw how do u remember ure name CCCP?

[Гражданин СССР]

Im Kuzmich, but I've been CCCP for a while even before I left for many, many months (a year?).