Being taken advantage of while being intoxicated.

[IDefy]

Let me be a bit more clear. It was not at a party. This was at the guys apartment. She was drunk, unwilling, but at the same time not fully aware of what was going on due to intoxication via alcohol. It was a clear sail and bail. The guy has no idea she could be pregnant, which she is 2 weeks away from finding out. This isn't the first time this has happened to the girl, she plans to hide it from the guy at all costs. This happened to her twice before but never unprotected.

[Knox]

Originally Posted by IDefy

Let me be a bit more clear. It was not at a party. This was at the guys apartment. She was drunk, unwilling, but at the same time not fully aware of what was going on due to intoxication via alcohol. It was a clear sail and bail. The guy has no idea she could be pregnant, which she is 2 weeks away from finding out. This isn't the first time this has happened to the girl, she plans to hide it from the guy at all costs. This happened to her twice before but never unprotected.

It seems like this girl needs to learn some personal responsibility. She gets wasted with a single guy she apparently can't trust? On three separate occasions? lol.

But ya, that would be called rape.

If she is a friend of yours get her some help. No offence, but it sounds like she can't take care of herself.

[Master.America]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I'm not saying it's ok to take advantage of people while they're drunk, but I don't think a girl should be able to just decide it was a bad idea after the fact. What if it was willing but when she finds out shes pregnant, she claims it was rape... It's a very touchy subject...

I understand your point. People who abuse consent laws are no better than the people who abuse and scrutinize every other law, statute, and word in the constitution. As it is, though, it's best to just stay out of the pants of drunk chicks. It's a world of trouble more than it's worth.

[Laharl]

Just another form of sexism. I guarentee that if the intoxicated person happened to be male he would have no case.

[Dragnskull]

also take into consideration human nature. a girl crying about being raped will appeal to the court more than a man thats saying shes lieing.

[Knox]

It was already decided that our judical system is affected by sexism / racism in the "Women are sexist" thread. Everyone knows that girls got it easier besides for the cut in pay, which im sure would not apply if a intelligent womam did something about it. (And had evidence to back it up, like when she compared her salary to a man's who was doing the same job and it was lower she would threaten to sue or whatever. You know she would win.)

[micro.micro]

Originally Posted by CelestialBadger

That's...not really true. You not only need to consent, but you need to be of sound mind and capable of making the decision to consent (ie, not in an altered state, drunk). I'm fairly certain that taking sexual advantage of someone who's drunk is considered rape.

that is retarded. when 2 people have sex and the girl turns around and says the guy raped her, and all he has to defend himself was that she consented, he is going to jail. in a battle of he said, she said. the girl almost always wins in rape scenerios (kobe being one of the exceptions).

edit:
btw, the girl can also say that she was taken advantage of while intoxicated which is valid in court.

[Laharl]

Really? If a girl cried to me about that I would just laugh at her.

Personally I believe that if you get intoxicated, then taken advantage of, you are as much to blame as the guy who took advantage of you.

[micro.micro]

so you're saying that it is the girls fault for drinking too much and the guy that raped her is completely innocent? because that is basically the case that is brought up when a girl charges a guy with rape while intoxicated and the guy has almost no way of making himself look like the victim.

[Laharl]

Perhaps you should read my post?

Personally I believe that if you get intoxicated, then taken advantage of, you are as much to blame as the guy who took advantage of you.

Please learn how to read.

By the way, getting flat out drunk shows a lack of self control, of intelligence, among other things - especially when on a date.

The only case(s) in which the person taking advantage of not being at all to blame would be if they were either forced to drink, or was slipped some sort of date rape drug.

[Deanoz]

Originally Posted by micro.micro

so you're saying that it is the girls fault for drinking too much and the guy that raped her is completely innocent? because that is basically the case that is brought up when a girl charges a guy with rape while intoxicated and the guy has almost no way of making himself look like the victim.

If the guy had sex with someone that consented, and was of legal age of course, then he is innocent in the court of law.

As for you right above me, just wondering why you're referencing someone to learn how to read after they stated a personal opinion.

[Knox]

Originally Posted by Deanoz

If the guy had sex with someone that consented, and was of legal age of course, then he is innocent in the court of law.

As for you right above me, just wondering why you're referencing someone to learn how to read after they stated a personal opinion.

First part- That is how it is suppose to work. 90%+ of the time when a bitch is crying that she was "raped" when she was drunk, even if she REALLY did consent, she would have the guy locked away. Like I said, 90% of courts would take the crying womans side even if she had little to no evidence. Hell it's been proven woman basically ALWAYS get lighter sentances / better judgements in courts when compared to man. Their is another thread around here where I showed how women get the death sentance about 5x less then men, with same situation crimes.

Second part- You should learn to read. BFH is right in what he said in response to the guys reply. Even if that was his opinion he did not state it like one, he stated it like it was fact.

[Lizardbreath]

Originally Posted by Miles Prower

Perhaps you should read my post?



Please learn how to read.

By the way, getting flat out drunk shows a lack of self control, of intelligence, among other things - especially when on a date.

- I disagree with you, some people get drunk to go out and have a good time with a bunch of friends. It's the people who get alcohol poisoning that I have a problem with.

The only case(s) in which the person taking advantage of not being at all to blame would be if they were either forced to drink, or was slipped some sort of date rape drug.

I agree with you on the date rape drug thingy.

[CelestialBadger]

By the way, getting flat out drunk shows a lack of self control, of intelligence, among other things - especially when on a date.

So you've never been to any sort of party, have you?

[Lizardbreath]

Ya know I thought one way about this....until I actually had an experience with a drunken girl. I was @ party and this girl who I knew in high school (who is 18) was there and it was her first time getting drunk. Well, lo and behold she was all over me and I was turned on by it and we had sex. The end.

[Laharl]

I've been to many a party, CB, but why would I put myself in a position where I could easily be taken advantage of?

There's no reason for it.

[N[U]TS]

believe it or not but i was taken advantage of when i was drunk. It is not fun to be a virgin and then wake up with guys asking you so how was it? Yes, i lost my virginity while being taken advantage of. It is just a damn shame that others would stoop that low and do somthing such as this. Heres another senerio. We were both under age. I think the ruling would be "they molested eachother" because they didnt know what the hell they were doing.

[Gimmi]

Originally Posted by IDefy

I know someone who recently was drunk and had unprotected sex 3x in one night basically unwillingly. Is this not rape? They refuse to believe it, and they could possibly be pregnant now. How can this not be labeled as rape? Any opinions advice on this?

why would she get that drunk willingly at a party with that many horny guys?

[Jimbo]

This one time, I was at this party and drinking and shit. Then this chick came up and was like, YO YOU DRUNK TOO?. I took advantage of her.

[Chris]

The guy was probably not alert because of the heavy drinking the person did. But I find it strange that, it wasn't labelled as rape just because the guy had a few beers. But doesnt rape come in many forms, like physical rape or something along those lines? I also certainly also hope the guy was tested for HIV/AIDS and not positive for it, cause that wouldn't be such a good idea at all. Because face it, unprotected sex is fine... but doing so when you are positive for AIDS is something you shouldnt be even doing in the first place.