Prophet Muhammad cartoon images

[x42bn6]

Press freedom or ignorance?

For those not in the know, see:
http://www.google.com.my/search?q=prophet+muhammad+cartoon&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
http://news.google.com.my/news?q=prophet+muhammad+cartoon&hl=en&hs=4s3&lr=&c lient=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr

This is an issue that touches too far in the wrong place at the wrong time. Cartoons showing Prophet Muhammad in weaponry is going too far. Newspapers, especially in the West, do not display anything anti-Jew, nor anti-Christian. So why anti-Islam?

These cartoons show a complete ignorance of Islam. Islam does not encourage violence, nor does it encourage weapons to kill others. Add in the fact that it comes at a time when the Middle East is in the middle of all these sensitivities, and I think it's disgusting to hide behind the guise of press freedom.

Yes, full press freedom is something that all of us want. Yet thanks to this 'press freedom', the Islamic World is disgusted, radical Muslims go round torching embassies and products are being boycotted. Yes, press freedom is a wonderful thing to have. But with it must come with respect for religion, especially at a time like this.

So what do you think?*

[TrongaMonga]

Originally Posted by x42bn6

Islam does not encourage violence, nor does it encourage weapons to kill others.

Just to add that this is not entirely truth. They do encourage thed efense of their religion by whatever means necesseries. That's what the term jihad really means, holy war.

And since your point in this whole thread is the 'freedom of speach', I'll just say one thing. Freedom is good, but there is always excesses. However, it's the price to pay, that some exceed and are punished by it, and the others remain free.

Or else we could all do what one person wants.

[Laharl]

Their roots are still in the Judeo faith, and ergo they cannot be peaceful. I treat them no differently than I treat Christians. Which is still pretty bad, I must admit.

They are no more "violent" or "peaceful" than Christianity. It's just that a religion based around "Defending your religion" can be much more easily perverted.

[please help me :(]

Edit:I apologize.
Muhammad was the chosen one .

[Laharl]

coclusion :Muhammad was a terrorist

Terrorist: One who uses fear to influence others. No, not a terrorist. Just a petty thug.

Bush, on the other hand...

[Bret]

Originally Posted by x42bn6

Newspapers, especially in the West, do not display anything anti-Jew, nor anti-Christian. So why anti-Islam?

Gee? I wonder why? Muslims bomb not only America, but England and many other European countries. And just like now, think they are so smart they can just burn down whatever they want because of a cartoon.
If I were to start burning down buildings and rioting in the streets, not just "protesting" but burning, breaking, and destorying things I wouldn't be able to get away with it.

[Galatia]

Originally Posted by x42bn6

Newspapers, especially in the West, do not display anything anti-Jew, nor anti-Christian. So why anti-Islam?

What are you talking about, Jason??? Newspapers and magazines all over the world were, are and most probably will keep being full of comics that make fun of Jesus and God and the Jews and Buddha and Jehova and Muhammed you name it! Those that are offended, just dont buy them.

[Tipsy]

To add something, this seems to be a matter of freedom of the press rather than anything else. I came across an article about an Iranian newspaper holding a contest to have the best Holocaust cartoon to "test whether the West will apply the same principles of freedom of expression to the Nazi genocide against Jews as it did to the caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed."

Note: That article can be seen here:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc...sts/index.html

I think the important thing to remember here is that regardless of whether or not it is true, in matters like these the cartoons should be allowed. I'm not saying that anything can be said in a newspaper or cartoon, there are laws that stop blatant lying and holding it as fact about people and so forth in the United States. Whether or not it is true, I will completely stand by the freedom to put both of these cartoons out, both the Holocaust and Mohammed ones, not because I agree with the message, but because they should have the right to.

As for the actual poll, I am not going to vote because I think the cartoon is both ignorance of what Islam is and it is something supported by freedom of press.

[Biske]

I laughed when I heard this on the news. Not the event, but what this muslum had to say. He said their faith does not encourage violence, then why in goodness name is every islamic person in the east going awol? Seriously, I smell a shiat load of hypocricy, and this time it isn't from the western side of things. I also sence a double standard. They mock our beliefs and traditions, and feel it right to kill us, but if we make a cartoon that so much as makes someone think that maybe they are being insulted, they feel justified in attacking an embassy, which, correct me if I'm wrong, is an act of war to that country? Silly Muslums. Now, I'm not saying that that cartoon was right, I feel that was very immature and rediculous to do that, but I also think muslums take things way to seriously.

[Bret]

I'd like to make a side note:

Does anyone like to make a guess as to when the cartoons were published?
Yep, over a year ago.

So why are there "uprising" now? Well, muslim leaders are doing a better job than Bin Ladin to incite violence amoungst the Muslim community.

"Islam says it's all right to demonstrate but not to resort to violence. This must stop," said senior cleric Mohammed Usman, a member of the Ulama Council _ Afghanistan's top Islamic organization. "We condemn the cartoons but this does not justify violence. These rioters are defaming the name of Islam."Click for full story

Yes, Islam is just full of peace.

[lollercoasterzster]

Originally Posted by TrongaMonga

Just to add that this is not entirely truth. They do encourage thed efense of their religion by whatever means necesseries. That's what the term jihad really means, holy war.

And since your point in this whole thread is the 'freedom of speach', I'll just say one thing. Freedom is good, but there is always excesses. However, it's the price to pay, that some exceed and are punished by it, and the others remain free.

Or else we could all do what one person wants.

Ever heard the word crusade? All throughout history leaders have used excuses such as religion to instigate war and violence, despite the fact religion itself does not necessarily do so. Don't let the actions of a few extremists sway your opinion of an entire system of beliefs.

[AZN_FLEA]

have you ever heard the saying that too much freedom is bad for you?? thats what you americans have made. the press should have freedom but it shouldnt abuse it. most americans abuse this, and even azns. but never to this degree. this is disgusting. we shoul;d boycott the newspapers.

whats truly disturbing is that new zealand (the country i live in) is printing these out too. NZ is a ****ing weak****. if this continues all non believers are going to get ughh...

[TrongaMonga]

Originally Posted by lollercoasterzster

Ever heard the word crusade? All throughout history leaders have used excuses such as religion to instigate war and violence, despite the fact religion itself does not necessarily do so. Don't let the actions of a few extremists sway your opinion of an entire system of beliefs.

All I was saying is that Islam DOES support the Jihad as part of their religion. It is entirely correct to go Jihad on the infidels.

The only reason for the Crusades were economical, and the best way to hire soldiers was to tell them it was in the name of god.

After all, Christians should offer the other cheek, while the Islam doesn't go that way. It says you should fight back.

[Laharl]

Above all I have never seen such a massive group of whiners in my entire life.

"They drew a picture that is supposed to represent Muhammad! /cry"

God. Get over yourself. If that's the worst that happen to your precious "religion" (I still hold that all religions are inheritely false), then you've got it made.

[Shadow-Hunter]

Well as i see it some Danish (Pretty sure it was a the danish drawer that painted the first one) Drawer Drawed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad... Now According to Islam its not allowed to Draw Muhammad.. So its very Natrual that some get very angry...

Now Islam also say that its illigal to break the peace.. Now what do some of them do about the drawings?
They Burn a Danish embassy, and they Burn the Danish Flag! ... Now i dont really see what the worst thing is: Drawing a small harmless painting, Or Burning the embassy and Flag of Denmark! (I live there in Denmark)..
also, alot of other religions are made fun of and stuff.. It happen to jews, Jesus, budisths and alot of others... So why cant Islam ignore it like all the other religions? All other can do it, but islam.. Islam just has to make alot of trouble becouse of a little picture..

Also as the Painter who is holding on to the fact that he used "the Freedom of the Press" law to draw them, dont want to say sorry for Painting the Pictures.. This is where i belive islam also say that a muslim should forgive others .. Now did they do that? Hell no, They Burn embassys and Flags... Even danish ppl who live in the Islamic countrys have to Move becouse of their safety... Have this ppl done anything at all ? No, they are just from the same Country as the Painter of the Pictures.. =/ ..

So what is worst: Draw a few pics, or burn embassys, flags and scare other humans to move ?

I belive that it was a little stupid to draw the Pics, but that was only a little mistake.. The real mistake come when ppl get nuts and cant ignore/forgive the stuff

~Shadow

(Im sorry for the spelling, im not that good at it>.<)

[Laharl]

That's my point, Shadow. They burn flags, buildings and what have you, and stomp around like spoiled brats. Then they wonder why everyone hates them.

I know a certain ethnic group that needs a reality check, and for once it's not christians.

[please help me :(]

no.they just love their prophet so much "Those in my community with the strongest love for me are the people who will come after me. Some of them would give their family and wealth to have seen me."-Muhammad.

[Biske]

Jesus said something very similiar, but both never said "Kill for me".

[x42bn6]

I agree. Some Muslims (sadly, misguided) take their anger to... New heights.

Take it from me. Islam is a tolerant religion, as I have lived in Malaysia for 9 years. A little sexist, but tolerant.

Jihad, TrongaMonga, is a fickle subject. Jihad does not say violence. It merely means something along the lines of, "Struggle in the name of Islam" or something like that. But not violence.

As for press freedom, your views are all accepted by me. But press freedom, I firmly believe, also must have some form of responsibility and tolerance. And coming at a time like this, it is blatant stupidity to post images like that. You don't put cartoons of Iraqis being tortured in Palestinian newspapers. That is common sense.*

[Bret]

ji·had also je·had Audio pronunciation of "jihad" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (j-häd)
n.

1. A Muslim holy war or spiritual struggle against infidels.
2. A crusade or struggle: “The war against smoking is turning into a jihad against people who smoke” (Fortune).

Its a holy war.