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Old 02-26-2006, 04:44 AM   #61 (permalink)
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It's not our problem, it's theirs. And we never really insulted them, they took it as an insult.

They're just oversensitive drama queen's is all.
If you draw someone stereotyped as a terrorist, putting it into a picture on the mass media makes it an insult.*
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Old 02-27-2006, 12:58 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I honestly didn't see how he resembled a terrorist in any except one. It's pointing out how radically violent they are, even though they deny it.
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Old 02-27-2006, 07:21 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Freedom of press is good i think but I think whoever did that was just being ignorant. I think a problem with press is that the press changes stories in order to sell their papers or have people watch their channel so they make money from ads. I also think that they do not research enough into things before releasing a story just because they need something to talk about and then they'll talk about the same kidnapping nationwide for 4 months. There are 100's or 1000's of kidnappings and such a year in the U.S. but the press will all of a sudden focus on one for 4 months non-stop.

Also, how many times do you see two news people on your tv, one asking the other and the first will ask questions and the second will be like "well we really dont know what all is happening here, the police is gathered and starting an investigation but we will release any information once we find out"? they'll say that to almost all the questions. this just emphasises my point that they don't research into anything before they make news out of it, they just want to be " the first to bring you the latest news" and to sell you a story.

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Old 02-28-2006, 03:51 AM   #64 (permalink)
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I honestly didn't see how he resembled a terrorist in any except one. It's pointing out how radically violent they are, even though they deny it.
However, that is a very, very, narrow generalisation of the Islamic followers in the world. Because Islam is a peaceful religion, even though some disagree.*
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Old 03-01-2006, 08:42 PM   #65 (permalink)
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I agree that most muslims are peaceful but the ones that are rioting give out this great message:


Islam is not a violent religion, and I'll kill or blow up anyone that thinks so

Stop making out that Islam is the only religion subject to jokes or question
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Old 03-01-2006, 08:57 PM   #66 (permalink)
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It's just that the ones protesting are behaving the way I did back when I was ten! They got insulted in some way (or so they believe) and are stomping around destroying things because of it. As previously mentioned other religions got teased/insulted. They ignored it.

Message to muslims that are protesting in the middle east: Get over yourself. None of us care what you think or do about the comic. You're just making asses of yourselves. Again.
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Wrong. By portraying Muhammad as a terrorist, you are implying that followers of Islam are following a terrorist. And I've said before, time and time again, Muhammad is a holy figure in the eyes of Islam.*
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Yes, and it isn't unheard of for christianity to be insulted. Jesus, himself even. Do they make this big of fuss over that type of thing? Not, really. They appear to be bigger than that.
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Like I've said, it's worse for Islam because Muhammad's image is not meant to be visualised or attempted to be visualised. It's insulting. Even more so by degrading his image.*
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Did you hear about what they are doing now? They renamed the "Danish" to the "Rose of the Prophet Muhammad". So it's wrong to draw pictures of him, but not to draw pictures of him. It's that they think they are above morals, or decency and think that they can do what they darn well please.
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Did you hear about what they are doing now? They renamed the "Danish" to the "Rose of the Prophet Muhammad". So it's wrong to draw pictures of him, but not to draw pictures of him. It's that they think they are above morals, or decency and think that they can do what they darn well please.
That is referring to a pastry. Congratulations.*
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It's showing my point. You can't draw pictures of "muhammad" but you can name a desert after him. They can make fun of other religions, but they can't take it back.

Besides, renaming a food is a really stupid way to protest. And wouldn't renaming a food after your religion's "Chosen One" be honouring them, a compliment?

According to my personal philosophy they would be identical to someone who plays pranks on other people, but can't take them back. They are little more than petty hypocrites.
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Gee? I wonder why? Muslims bomb not only America, but England and many other European countries. And just like now, think they are so smart they can just burn down whatever they want because of a cartoon.
If I were to start burning down buildings and rioting in the streets, not just "protesting" but burning, breaking, and destorying things I wouldn't be able to get away with it.
Alright forum elder, a few Muslim individuals are capable of bombing anything.

I'm sure if a country participated in religion heavily, that they have the right to burn unlawful things or cut the string and all affiliation with another country.

Whats your point?
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It's showing my point. You can't draw pictures of "muhammad" but you can name a desert after him. They can make fun of other religions, but they can't take it back.

Besides, renaming a food is a really stupid way to protest. And wouldn't renaming a food after your religion's "Chosen One" be honouring them, a compliment?

According to my personal philosophy they would be identical to someone who plays pranks on other people, but can't take them back. They are little more than petty hypocrites.
His name is not blasphemous to Islam, it's his image that is. Prophet Muhammad-face-shaped-pastries would be blasphemous, but not his name.

The agenda behind naming the pastries I cannot understand, though, because Danish pastries are commonly not all from Denmark.

And if this thing is allowed, what is stopping Jyllands-Posten and similar publications from posting more and more insulting cartoons and insulting the 1.2 billion Muslims around the world (200,000 of those live in Denmark alone)?*
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Those ****s have drawn our religious icons in deragatory ways, so why the heck are they complaining about a cartoon of theirs? Hyppocrites.

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Proooooooove it.

I don't see why you guys keep using freedom of the press as an excuse. Isn't that a term used in America? I didn't know Denmark's government was based on the Constitution.

The Muslims do have a good point, though. Not many people are nice to the Muslims. In fact, the Holy Land wasn't the Jewish homeland until the British forced everyone out so that the Jews could live there after the Holocaust. And now the Muslims are saying that the world scoffs at Islam, while no one dares make fun of the Holocaust.

I have yet to see a picture of Jesus sleeping with someone else's wife.
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I don't see why you guys keep using freedom of the press as an excuse. Isn't that a term used in America? I didn't know Denmark's government was based on the Constitution.
What the hell? I'm not sure if I should consider you wide open or truly American...
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Just consider him wide open for a coup de grace.

The middle easterner's opinion on the Jewish population is hardly a reliable thing to quote. Then again they are both followers of a racist religion. It's no small wonder they would hate each other.

They mock christianity and the jewish faith. That's fine and dandy, but they can't take it back. Why? Because they consider themselves superior to everyone. That's the racism/superiority complex showing through yet again. So they can dish it out, but not take it back? There's even a spiffy word for that!

Hypocracy.


Hypocracy, the one thing my religion speaks heavily against.

Now, as for Muslims not being violent. I'm sorry, but burning flags and destroying buildings does count as being violent to me. And most muslims are in the middle east, so we're looking at a vast majority here. Even children (brought by their parents) were taking part of the rioting. They sure are a peaceful lot, those muslims. That's why they are known to threaten people for not saying that islam is peaceful.

Not the smartest bunch in the world.


Yes, they mustn't be the most clever lot on Earth. How would it look if I were to walk to the downtown area of my local city and start screaming at the top of my lungs "I AM A VERY PEACEFUL PERSON! AND I WILL SHOOT ANYONE WHO SAYS I AM NOT PEACEUL!". That's all they are doing, except in their context a police officer won't come along and haul them off to jail for being an obvious threat to many, many things.

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I'm sorry, but you just don't get the issue at all. They are willing to insult other people, poke fun if you will but aren't willing to take it back. They stomp their feet, they whine, they bitch (if you will) then turn around and plot to wipe out Jerusalem.

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Sure a lot of people don't much like the Muslim people; then again they (The ones in the middle east that is) are violent and crude. And there are people who make fun of the holocaust. They are called "Holocaust Deniers". Then again where did all the dead bodies come from? Also, comparing the slaughter of thousands/millions to a mere religion isn't a very strong arguement.

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I still have yet to see proof of Islam hating on figures of other religions. You just seemed to gloss over my post. But you know what? After 9/11, there was an extremely dramatic spike in the rate of hate crimes against Muslims and Hindus. They killed the Hindus cuz they figure, "all them sand-******s are the same".

What the hell does wide open mean? Perhaps I missed something, but I just didn't know that other countries had "freedom of the press".

You know what's a hipocracy? How you say that Muslims are violent and crude. That's a sweeping generalization. Do you believe that all Muslims are violent and crude? Cuz that's what you just said. I happen to be of partial Muslim descent, and I find that offensive.

What you don't realize is that those pictures of people holding signs saying that they'll kill anyone that doesn't think they're peaceful, are jokes. They're all photoshopped. They're not real. Get over it.

I don't get the issue at all? Prooooooooooooooooooove it. What you guys lack is PROOF. You know what? Christians did the same thing during the Crusades. And I have yet to see them making cartoons of them showing Jesus killing people and sleeping with their wives.

Show me Holocaust deniers making fun of the Holocaust. And it is a reasonable argument, because they have been tread on for the past 800 years. Sure, Jews had their few centuries. And sure, the Christians had their 100 years, but the fact is, the Muslims were picked on by Britain, during the Crusades, both of em, when they kicked them out of the Holy Lands, and now. They have been just as oppressed, if not way more, as any other religion.
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What the hell do you mean, you didn't know other countries have freedom of press? That's just, well, impossible. That's the same as saying you didn't know there were actually people in other countries. Or at least that you have absolutely no information whatsoever about the rest of the world. What I get with that sentence of yours is that:

a) You think the USA is the only country with freedom in the world (and, I must say, US's nowadays definition of freedom is quite questionable). Hence why I said true American.

b) Hell, I don't know why I said wide open anymore. I think it had something to do with the fact that saying that showed some kind of criticism about the lack of freedom of press around the globe. Either way, there are countries with far more freedom of press than the US.


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What you don't realize is that those pictures of people holding signs saying that they'll kill anyone that doesn't think they're peaceful, are jokes. They're all photoshopped. They're not real. Get over it.
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Just consider him wide open for a coup de grace.

The middle easterner's opinion on the Jewish population is hardly a reliable thing to quote. Then again they are both followers of a racist religion. It's no small wonder they would hate each other.

They mock christianity and the jewish faith. That's fine and dandy, but they can't take it back. Why? Because they consider themselves superior to everyone. That's the racism/superiority complex showing through yet again. So they can dish it out, but not take it back? There's even a spiffy word for that!

Hypocracy.


Hypocracy, the one thing my religion speaks heavily against.

Now, as for Muslims not being violent. I'm sorry, but burning flags and destroying buildings does count as being violent to me. And most muslims are in the middle east, so we're looking at a vast majority here. Even children (brought by their parents) were taking part of the rioting. They sure are a peaceful lot, those muslims. That's why they are known to threaten people for not saying that islam is peaceful.

Not the smartest bunch in the world.


Yes, they mustn't be the most clever lot on Earth. How would it look if I were to walk to the downtown area of my local city and start screaming at the top of my lungs "I AM A VERY PEACEFUL PERSON! AND I WILL SHOOT ANYONE WHO SAYS I AM NOT PEACEUL!". That's all they are doing, except in their context a police officer won't come along and haul them off to jail for being an obvious threat to many, many things.

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I'm sorry, but you just don't get the issue at all. They are willing to insult other people, poke fun if you will but aren't willing to take it back. They stomp their feet, they whine, they bitch (if you will) then turn around and plot to wipe out Jerusalem.

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Sure a lot of people don't much like the Muslim people; then again they (The ones in the middle east that is) are violent and crude. And there are people who make fun of the holocaust. They are called "Holocaust Deniers". Then again where did all the dead bodies come from? Also, comparing the slaughter of thousands/millions to a mere religion isn't a very strong arguement.

That'll do for now.
So you are saying this is 'revenge' for what they used to do to other religions? I am pretty sure these cartoons were not published to be religious revenge.

And to the answer of the press, it's horrible that little-to-nothing about peaceful demonstrations have been shown to the press. There were lots of peaceful demonstrations, which shows what Islam is about. Tolerance but firmness.*
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