Prophet Muhammad cartoon images

[Biske]

Haha, there's another thing, saying God condones wars, that's rich.

The term "Holy" war is an oxymoron.

[TrongaMonga]

Originally Posted by x42bn6

I agree. Some Muslims (sadly, misguided) take their anger to... New heights.

Take it from me. Islam is a tolerant religion, as I have lived in Malaysia for 9 years. A little sexist, but tolerant.

Jihad, TrongaMonga, is a fickle subject. Jihad does not say violence. It merely means something along the lines of, "Struggle in the name of Islam" or something like that. But not violence.

As for press freedom, your views are all accepted by me. But press freedom, I firmly believe, also must have some form of responsibility and tolerance. And coming at a time like this, it is blatant stupidity to post images like that. You don't put cartoons of Iraqis being tortured in Palestinian newspapers. That is common sense.*

There are many ways to struggle, and violence is one of them.

How do you think the Islam expanded so much after it was founded? One hundred years after it's foundation it already went from Persia to Moroccos and was ready to go to the Iberian Peninsula, my home. And with went, I mean deeply into everyone's mind. And, yes, it was very tolerant. For some reason, it was the most advanced civilazition of it's time, with connection between China and Europe. The arabic civilazation, with its location and scientific tolerance, could very well have suplanted Europe by now. But, well, there was this little thing that happened. My country founded a way to do comerce with Asia without passing trough Arabia. And that ruined them.

Anyway, it was all Holy War that spreaded it. The term zealot comes from the warrior class from that time. The Zealots were a islamic fundamentalistic army that spread out the word of Muhammad very quickly for it's time (remember, there was no Internet).

As for my view on freedom of speech, I'd like to add something I'd swear I said, but I didn't.

There is a price to pay for our freedom, and now we're paying it. However, the prize, or at least the time, can be minimized if it is a conscious freedom, and people actually think of the very consequences of their acts.

The term 'Holy' war is an oxymoron for our culture. Believe me, it is not for others.

If you want an example, do a search on Moloch Ba'al.

[Deanoz]

I think it's ignorance and freedom of press combined.

[Emperor Pan I]

Where is the third option where we don't believe in eitehr side being right? Why should we be at either extremes, where it is ignorance to print picture of Muhammad as a terrorist and not expext people to be pissed?

[The_Raven7]

I don't have a problem with the printing of the cartoons. What I have a problem with is the fact that the European newspapers deliberatly reprinted the cartoons after the radical protests were causing mayhem. If they just took the damn thing off of the presses, the protests would have stopped. But it's too late now.

[Laharl]

Islam is a tolerant religion

In my eyes they are NOT peaceful, and NOT tolerant. Any religion which encourages the murder of homosexuals (gay males) I wish to see dead and trampled beneath my feet.

[Deanoz]

Originally Posted by Big-Fat-Homo

In my eyes they are NOT peaceful, and NOT tolerant. Any religion which encourages the murder of homosexuals (gay males) I wish to see dead and trampled beneath my feet.

Certain individuals interpret things differently.
Perhaps the religion never encouraged such things, but it was changed or interpreted differently.

Or, you could just go ahead and state the hard facts, because thats what everyone loves, and does not want to think, and find truth in the middle, about why they were protesting.

Because it was freedom of press, and all those middle easterns hate freedom.

Or, because the people that did the cartoon discriminate against people for no reason and because they are ignorant.

[Neolch]

It seems like freedom of the press to me. It was origionally only in a single newspaper but after they threatened the news stand the others put it out with hate and ignorance. In a way it's a little bit of both.

A tad off topic, but I don't understand what the big fuss is about. If you put a picture of jesus with a bomb in his halo america won't grow crazy. The world is always tring to make a joke out of something I suppose. For an example in my school newspaper there was a picture of Osama Bin-Ladin reading a newspaper that's main news was hurricane Katrina with Katrina standing next to him saying, "Amature." *sigh* Retarded humans...

[Shadow-Hunter]

Well, No matter how you set it up i can only say that the muslims are overreacting (spelling?).. Once some1 Made a Shoe with Jesus on... Now when using this shoe you would step on Jesus face.. (Now you can see that would have pissed a bit of ppl off) ..

But Most ppl took it very relaxed .. A few did some demonstrations but NO1 burned flags/ambasses or any1 that stupid... (at least as far as I know) ...
Now when so many ppl can very close to ignore stuff like that, why cant Islam ignore a few paintings THAT IS IN A COUNTRY FAR AWAY? ..

I mean, its not really like they see the newspaper it is made in... Also if you really belive in your religion, then you know that the paintings show no truth.. And you could easyly ignore/forgive it.. But as it shows, they cant...
Also saying that islam is a Peacefull religion is from My point of viwe wrong..

At the moment I cant really think of any area of the world with so much war as in the mittle east.. And then the Countrys down there is very "man powered" (dont know the word, so ill try to explain what i mean)..

At some Places women cant even go outside without their Man... And they need to be 100% covered.. and shit, all while the men can do what ever they want.. also if the women break any law, the man allmost have the right to kill her... cant really say how Forgiveness/Peace/tolerance have anything to do with what they do =/ ..

(NOTE: I also belive that its not all ppl from Islam/the mittle east that does stuff like that, Alot of them are really nice ppl that really follow the stuff like peace and stuff... But its sad how allmost all of them dont..) ..

~Shadow

[Deanoz]

Originally Posted by Shadow-Hunter

Well, No matter how you set it up i can only say that the muslims are overreacting (spelling?).. Once some1 Made a Shoe with Jesus on... Now when using this shoe you would step on Jesus face.. (Now you can see that would have pissed a bit of ppl off) ..

But Most ppl took it very relaxed .. A few did some demonstrations but NO1 burned flags/ambasses or any1 that stupid... (at least as far as I know) ...
Now when so many ppl can very close to ignore stuff like that, why cant Islam ignore a few paintings THAT IS IN A COUNTRY FAR AWAY? ..

I mean, its not really like they see the newspaper it is made in... Also if you really belive in your religion, then you know that the paintings show no truth.. And you could easyly ignore/forgive it.. But as it shows, they cant...
Also saying that islam is a Peacefull religion is from My point of viwe wrong..

At the moment I cant really think of any area of the world with so much war as in the mittle east.. And then the Countrys down there is very "man powered" (dont know the word, so ill try to explain what i mean)..

At some Places women cant even go outside without their Man... And they need to be 100% covered.. and shit, all while the men can do what ever they want.. also if the women break any law, the man allmost have the right to kill her... cant really say how Forgiveness/Peace/tolerance have anything to do with what they do =/ ..

(NOTE: I also belive that its not all ppl from Islam/the mittle east that does stuff like that, Alot of them are really nice ppl that really follow the stuff like peace and stuff... But its sad how allmost all of them dont..) ..

~Shadow

How much do you know about the Islam religion?
How much bias for or against the Islam religion do you have?
Say someone from Denmark tortured and killed someone. Then he burned their dead body. Sould every individual residing in Denmark be subject to world-wide discrimination? I think not.
Same exact situation with Islamic peoples.

[Shadow-Hunter]

Originally Posted by Deanoz

How much do you know about the Islam religion?
How much bias for or against the Islam religion do you have?
Say someone from Denmark tortured and killed someone. Then he burned their dead body. Sould every individual residing in Denmark be subject to world-wide discrimination? I think not.
Same exact situation with Islamic peoples.

Well i cant really say that im an expert in religions.. But all i can say and mean is what the world shows me.. By that i mean, when i look tv or other stuff, then 90% of the muslims I see there is burning and stuff, How can i really think that islam is a religion of forgiveness and peace, when most ppl you see Dont Forgive or live in peace?..

Now with that said, then i know that Not all muslims are like this (said this in the other post too) becouse 80% of the ppl in my Class is muslims, and they are all great friends and stuff..... So i do not mean that all who have Islam as their religion is stupid enough to burn and crap like that..

Lets say some1 painted a Picture of jesus, Do you think the danish ppl would get as mad as some of the muslims? i dont think that such a great number would get mad... Now a few, very few, would maybe get mad and do stuff, but it would be such a small number of ppl getting angry and do Shit stuff, While at the mittle east there is Alot more ppl that are doing stuff like it =/ ... I myself would be able to 100% ignore any painting of anything in my religion any1 could ever paint..

So im not rasist of any kind.. I just belive that Just too many muslims are doing stupid crap..

~Shadow

[Laharl]

How much bias for or against the Islam religion do you have?

No more than I feel against any other religion. Islam, just like the Hebrew faith, is horribly discriminate.

Note: I'm not anti-jewish. I just hate their damned religion.

EDIT: Could somebody please PM me copy(s) of the cartoons so I can see exactly what we are dealing with?

[Deanoz]

Originally Posted by Shadow-Hunter

Well i cant really say that im an expert in religions.. But all i can say and mean is what the world shows me.. By that i mean, when i look tv or other stuff, then 90% of the muslims I see there is burning and stuff, How can i really think that islam is a religion of forgiveness and peace, when most ppl you see Dont Forgive or live in peace?..

Now with that said, then i know that Not all muslims are like this (said this in the other post too) becouse 80% of the ppl in my Class is muslims, and they are all great friends and stuff..... So i do not mean that all who have Islam as their religion is stupid enough to burn and crap like that..

Lets say some1 painted a Picture of jesus, Do you think the danish ppl would get as mad as some of the muslims? i dont think that such a great number would get mad... Now a few, very few, would maybe get mad and do stuff, but it would be such a small number of ppl getting angry and do Shit stuff, While at the mittle east there is Alot more ppl that are doing stuff like it =/ ... I myself would be able to 100% ignore any painting of anything in my religion any1 could ever paint..

So im not rasist of any kind.. I just belive that Just too many muslims are doing stupid crap..

~Shadow

Because your eyes can deceive you.

[Biske]

Also, don't believe everything they show on tv, the media is full of shit, and bend opinions by what they decide to show or not to show.

[Master.America]

Originally Posted by Shadow-Hunter

Well i cant really say that im an expert in religions.. But all i can say and mean is what the world shows me.. By that i mean, when i look tv or other stuff, then 90% of the muslims I see there is burning and stuff, How can i really think that islam is a religion of forgiveness and peace, when most ppl you see Dont Forgive or live in peace?..

Now with that said, then i know that Not all muslims are like this (said this in the other post too) becouse 80% of the ppl in my Class is muslims, and they are all great friends and stuff..... So i do not mean that all who have Islam as their religion is stupid enough to burn and crap like that..

Lets say some1 painted a Picture of jesus, Do you think the danish ppl would get as mad as some of the muslims? i dont think that such a great number would get mad... Now a few, very few, would maybe get mad and do stuff, but it would be such a small number of ppl getting angry and do Shit stuff, While at the mittle east there is Alot more ppl that are doing stuff like it =/ ... I myself would be able to 100% ignore any painting of anything in my religion any1 could ever paint..

So im not rasist of any kind.. I just belive that Just too many muslims are doing stupid crap..

~Shadow

CNN is not "the world." The news isn't going to tell you about the millions of Muslims who are staying at home, praying for an end to this catastrophe. It isn't going to tell you about the Islamic guy running your local gas station NOT setting stuff on fire. Why? Because that's not going to increase the ratings.

You're not racist, or stupid. You're simply uneducated.

News from the Middle East. Let me know if you come across a news site more objective than this one. I bet you won't.

[Laharl]

A Canadian magazine is publishing the comics in question, and what did a muslim religious leader do? Quite literally, called the cops on them. We, in Canada, do not follow muslim law and we do not allow our cops to get involved in religious disputes. We aren't Saudia Arabia.

Objective news: Canadian News

[TrongaMonga]

Originally Posted by Master.America

CNN is not "the world." The news isn't going to tell you about the millions of Muslims who are staying at home, praying for an end to this catastrophe. It isn't going to tell you about the Islamic guy running your local gas station NOT setting stuff on fire. Why? Because that's not going to increase the ratings.

You're not racist, or stupid. You're simply uneducated.

News from the Middle East. Let me know if you come across a news site more objective than this one. I bet you won't.

CNN isn't everyone's news source either.

[Laharl]

I don't know anyone who goes to CNN for their news. It's highly biased, unreliable. Just garbage. Would you recommend wathing BBC?

[TrongaMonga]

Depends on the journalist and program, but, yes, BBC's a lot more reliable. I do consider it the best television channel in the world.

[Laharl]

Thanks for that information.

But why should everyone follow muslim law, for the muslims? We have our own laws, our own rules. And, coincidentally, drawing a picture of some long dead man isn't against any of them.