Shanghai Cooperation Organization

[Гражданин СССР]

SCO is the largest alliance on the planet although you probably haven't ever heard of it, over half of earth's population is involved. The main powers in the alliance are Russia and China, others include Uzbekistan, Kazahstan and a couple over stans, basically they are sidekicks and do whatever Russia and China tell them to do. Although all the SCO members say that its a purely economic aliance there have been wargames on a massive scale between many of the nations involved in the alliance plus their final goal is to keep any one power from dominating global politics, nobody said US but everybody meant it. Anyways, do you think that SCO is the next global superpower? It includes in itself both the fastest growing economy and military might (China) and the most natural resource rich nation and arguably the best then it comes to military hardware design and production (Russia). Anyways thoughts please.

[Forged]

They are going to need the backing of a littlle more than Russia, its satelites, and china to become a dominat power.

[B)ushid(o]

Originally Posted by Гражданин СССР

SCO is the largest alliance on the planet although you probably haven't ever heard of it, over half of earth's population is involved. The main powers in the alliance are Russia and China, others include Uzbekistan, Kazahstan and a couple over stans, basically they are sidekicks and do whatever Russia and China tell them to do. Although all the SCO members say that its a purely economic aliance there have been wargames on a massive scale between many of the nations involved in the alliance plus their final goal is to keep any one power from dominating global politics, nobody said US but everybody meant it. Anyways, do you think that SCO is the next global superpower? It includes in itself both the fastest growing economy and military might (China) and the most natural resource rich nation and arguably the best then it comes to military hardware design and production (Russia). Anyways thoughts please.

No, I believe the EU will gain "superpower" status before the SCO, unless it already counts as a superpower.

If you're counting alliances, then the EU is way ahead of the SCO to becoming the next superpower. Many of the EU countries have strong military forces, strong, stable economies, and are more interconnected than the SCO. Relations between the two giant SCO countries, Russia and China, are still warming up.

Even if the SCO countries have the most potential for growth, it'll still be a while before it gets close to superpower status. Right now, it's a relatively loose confederation, while the EU is a strong confederation with active participation and a strong currency.

[Bret]

SCO isn't a superpower, and never will be. Half the world is in this "organization" and I've never heard of it. That's a joke.
NATO and OTAN has more power than the SCO.
The EU is much more a super power than the SCO.
And America, one country, supports pretty much everyone.

[Hitsua]

Well they have a website, and everyone that's everyone has one!

http://www.sectsco.org/

From this all I found out is that they are trying to counter balance the U.S.A's power.

[Гражданин СССР]

Originally Posted by PauseBreak

SCO isn't a superpower, and never will be. Half the world is in this "organization" and I've never heard of it. That's a joke.
NATO and OTAN has more power than the SCO.
The EU is much more a super power than the SCO.
And America, one country, supports pretty much everyone.

Before addresing intellegent posts i'll reply to the ignorant.

So because you never heard of it, its a joke?
NATO? If you don't count US, Russia alone has more military power then the whole NATO, and EU isn't a military power at all, never will be. America supports everyone? What?

Originally Posted by B)ushid(o

No, I believe the EU will gain "superpower" status before the SCO, unless it already counts as a superpower.

If you're counting alliances, then the EU is way ahead of the SCO to becoming the next superpower. Many of the EU countries have strong military forces, strong, stable economies, and are more interconnected than the SCO. Relations between the two giant SCO countries, Russia and China, are still warming up.

Even if the SCO countries have the most potential for growth, it'll still be a while before it gets close to superpower status. Right now, it's a relatively loose confederation, while the EU is a strong confederation with active participation and a strong currency.

Well first of all i disagree EU is not a military power in any way. Second a lot of nations in EU (including some western nations) absolutely depend on Russia for their energy needs and as Russia is developing its relations with China it is very probable that China will become Russia's main energy product buyer, that means Russia will gain very important leverage over EU, similar kind that it has over georgia, ukraine and belorussia.

Originally Posted by Forged

They are going to need the backing of a littlle more than Russia, its satelites, and china to become a dominat power.

Really? Why?

[B)ushid(o]

Originally Posted by Гражданин СССР

Well first of all i disagree EU is not a military power in any way.

Many of the EU countries have well-maintained, organized, and efficient militaries. Their soldiers are on par with those of the U.S, Russia, China, or whatever military juggernaut. Many EU countries are techologically developed, and even if they're not, part of the budget the EU has will be used to develop weaker nations. Weapons, vehicles, and other military hardware developed by countries like Britain, France, Germany, etc. are among the best in the world. Together, they've already begun working as a unit and have completed or are doing several missions.

On the other hand, like I said before the SCO is still developing, and member states are still loosely connected. Its mission to combat terrorism, extremists, etc. is still in its infancy stages. Its campaign against "one power from dominating global politics" is weak. Clearly, the US is still in Central Asia and we're unlikely to leave soon.

Second a lot of nations in EU (including some western nations) absolutely depend on Russia for their energy needs and as Russia is developing its relations with China it is very probable that China will become Russia's main energy product buyer, that means Russia will gain very important leverage over EU, similar kind that it has over georgia, ukraine and belorussia.

Energy products can be obtained from many other countries, though they may be depending on Russia, that doesn't mean their business can't go elsewhere.

[Zerglite]

Originally Posted by Гражданин СССР

SCO is the largest alliance on the planet although you probably haven't ever heard of it, over half of earth's population is involved. The main powers in the alliance are Russia and China, others include Uzbekistan, Kazahstan and a couple over stans, basically they are sidekicks and do whatever Russia and China tell them to do. Although all the SCO members say that its a purely economic aliance there have been wargames on a massive scale between many of the nations involved in the alliance plus their final goal is to keep any one power from dominating global politics, nobody said US but everybody meant it. Anyways, do you think that SCO is the next global superpower? It includes in itself both the fastest growing economy and military might (China) and the most natural resource rich nation and arguably the best then it comes to military hardware design and production (Russia). Anyways thoughts please.

its basically China and Russia, its large ( population wize ); and all the -stans i know nothing about, are they even remotely economically powerfull?

So, back to it

Russia and China, not the #1 superpower, but they should be able to make a strong voice in what will go on in the world.

[Гражданин СССР]

Originally Posted by B)ushid(o

Many of the EU countries have well-maintained, organized, and efficient militaries. Their soldiers are on par with those of the U.S, Russia, China, or whatever military juggernaut. Many EU countries are techologically developed, and even if they're not, part of the budget the EU has will be used to develop weaker nations. Weapons, vehicles, and other military hardware developed by countries like Britain, France, Germany, etc. are among the best in the world. Together, they've already begun working as a unit and have completed or are doing several missions.

On the other hand, like I said before the SCO is still developing, and member states are still loosely connected. Its mission to combat terrorism, extremists, etc. is still in its infancy stages. Its campaign against "one power from dominating global politics" is weak. Clearly, the US is still in Central Asia and we're unlikely to leave soon.

We kicked US out of Uzbekistan didn't we? In addition EU doesn't have the numbers and is not at all militaristically centered, it has no military goals. European hardware is good but they don't field and maintain enough of it, they can though but if a war starts then it will be too late.

Energy products can be obtained from many other countries, though they may be depending on Russia, that doesn't mean their business can't go elsewhere.

It can, but transition takes a lot of time, while pulling the switch on them will take only few minutes.

[B)ushid(o]

Originally Posted by Гражданин СССР

We kicked US out of Uzbekistan didn't we? In addition EU doesn't have the numbers and is not at all militaristically centered, it has no military goals. European hardware is good but they don't field and maintain enough of it, they can though but if a war starts then it will be too late.

Kyrgzstan, Tajikistan, and Kazakhstan still have American bases. Pakistan, which was admitted as as observer, has strong ties with the U.S.

True, the main focus of the EU is not a militaristic one, but part of the EU is directed towards a unified defense if any one of its member states is attacked. Now, no one just declares war on someone else for no reason. If a war were to start, there would be considerable tension between the two sides before actual fighting begins. With the EU's manpower, fielding an effective military force to fight the SCO, the U.S, or whoever, wouldn't be impossible.

It can, but transition takes a lot of time, while pulling the switch on them will take only few minutes.

A contingency plan is always in place for any well-developed nation. Most likely, reserves would go into action, rationing, and whatnot. Some EU nations have massive amounts of natural gas and/or coal at their disposal.

[Bret]

I'd like to address the pretentious people first.

SCO is the largest alliance on the planet although you probably haven't ever heard of it

So its that effing huge, world-wide, and no one has probably heard of it? You ought to think through what you are trying to convey before you post.

So because you never heard of it, its a joke?

If people "probably haven't heard of it", and its that large of an organization, then yes, it is a joke.

[Laharl]

Note: Just because AMERICANS haven't heard of it, doesn't mean that nobody else has.

Note #2: America is a joke, you know nothing about what is going on.

[Forged]

@The Russian:

While both China and Russia are giant countries, neither of them have very good economies. Russia is still plauged with the shit Lenin, Stalin, and Khrushchev got them into. They might be a haven for natural recources, but so is most of the middle east. So honestlly, two large countries with shaky economies really aren't going to create the next world super power. If it seemed like they where, the eu and the u.s would probablly see to it that what ever they were doing was stopped.

[Гражданин СССР]

Originally Posted by B)ushid(o

Kyrgzstan, Tajikistan, and Kazakhstan still have American bases. Pakistan, which was admitted as as observer, has strong ties with the U.S.

True, the main focus of the EU is not a militaristic one, but part of the EU is directed towards a unified defense if any one of its member states is attacked. Now, no one just declares war on someone else for no reason. If a war were to start, there would be considerable tension between the two sides before actual fighting begins. With the EU's manpower, fielding an effective military force to fight the SCO, the U.S, or whoever, wouldn't be impossible.

Then compared to SCO's manpower EU's manpower is not that big at all.

A contingency plan is always in place for any well-developed nation. Most likely, reserves would go into action, rationing, and whatnot. Some EU nations have massive amounts of natural gas and/or coal at their disposal.

Not really, look at US and Katrina disaster.

Originally Posted by PauseBreak

So its that effing huge, world-wide, and no one has probably heard of it? You ought to think through what you are trying to convey before you post.

No one? Not no one, you haven't heard of it and thats only because you lack the intellect to read the international news.

If people "probably haven't heard of it", and its that large of an organization, then yes, it is a joke.

By people i meant the usual crowd in this forums (with few exeptions of people like Bushido for example) that is not too bright, and you're a perfect example of that.

Originally Posted by Forged

@The Russian:

While both China and Russia are giant countries, neither of them have very good economies. Russia is still plauged with the shit Lenin, Stalin, and Khrushchev got them into. They might be a haven for natural recources, but so is most of the middle east. So honestlly, two large countries with shaky economies really aren't going to create the next world super power. If it seemed like they where, the eu and the u.s would probablly see to it that what ever they were doing was stopped.

Ah China has a GDP almost the size of US's plus a much higher GDP growth rate. Also Russia has is THE natural resources rich country. We're first in natural gas, second in oil (production), among the first ones in gold, coal and everything else, plus our economy is growing rather rapidly in addition we are the largest military arms supplier on earth. And our arms are either better or just as capable of whatever US has to offer. Neither US nor EU can do anything, EU is completely reliant on Russia for energy resources and US is completely reliant on China for most of its consumer goods production.

[B)ushid(o]

Originally Posted by Гражданин СССР

Then compared to SCO's manpower EU's manpower is not that big at all.

Yes, but in terms of effectiveness and maintenance, they're equal to and maybe better than Russia and China, and definately much more so than Uzbekistan, Kyrgzstan, etc. Plus, China's military is still in the middle of upgrading, which will take another about another decade to complete, while most EU countries already have top-line equipment.

Not really, look at US and Katrina disaster.

The contingency plan was everything the emergency units, FEMA, the police, the National Guard etc. were trained to do in a disaster. I'm not saying the what's written down can be done perfectly, I'm saying that there's always a contingency plan, and evacuation + relief was the plan.

Neither US nor EU can do anything, EU is completely reliant on Russia for energy resources

The EU countries have enough oil, natural gas, coal, etc. to sustain themselves for quite awhile. And even though they've all reached peak oil, there's still a good amount left. Countries like Canada, Venezuela, and Norway have a decent amount of energy products, as well. Since most of Russian exports are energy products, Russia needs them, too.

and US is completely reliant on China for most of its consumer goods production.

The U.S can get consumer goods just about anywhere. Plus, it's in China's best interest (economically) to export to the U.S.

[Bret]

Originally Posted by Big-Fat-Homo

Note #2: America is a joke, you know nothing about what is going on.

You are racist. You single me out, but blame all Americans. I believe that's what the US people here, at BF's, get blamed the most for. Making dumbass comments like that. No one is pointing out how Canada is nothing but trees and worth nothing to the world economy.

Yes, maybe I haven't heard of the world's frickin' LARGEST huge most super power in the whole wide world's alliance. You know, I see so much of it on FOX and CNN it must have just slipped my mind...

The SCO is a joke. Maybe our over weening pride will be the endz of the world. Well, until the SCO acctually DOES something then people should start worrying. And like Forge said, "two large countries with shaky economies really aren't going to create the next world super power."

Anyways, do you think that SCO is the next global superpower? It includes in itself both the fastest growing economy and military might (China) and the most natural resource rich nation and arguably the best then it comes to military hardware design and production (Russia).

The fastest growing economy and military might, China? lol, I don't think so. China is piss poor, except for several cities. Although, China has been building a rather scary war-machine for the past 30 years plus. But like many communists, they don't need melee force to take over a country. They use ideas and tearing down of morals and values to overcome a certain aspect.
Russia on the other hand, has the best military hardware design and production. I don't know what Russia is building, but I bet you know ALL their secret? Russia doesn't strike me as stupid, don't get me wrong, but Japan is by far the most technically advanced culture thus far with Israel and America close behind. As far as production, I don't know their export and import charts.

So to answer your question. NO the SCO is a joke.

[Laharl]

Actually, the fact is that Americans (on Average) know nothing about what is going on. Also, "American" is NOT a race. Jesus tap-dancing Christ, you guys ARE full of yourselves.

[Zerglite]

Originally Posted by Big-Fat-Homo

Actually, the fact is that Americans (on Average) know nothing about what is going on. Also, "American" is NOT a race. Jesus tap-dancing Christ, you guys ARE full of yourselves.

whoever said americans were a race?


i am american.

you are canadian.

is canadian now a race?

[Laharl]

Originally Posted by PauseBreak

You are racist.

I didn't racially discriminate against any major race.

[Гражданин СССР]

Originally Posted by PauseBreak

The fastest growing economy and military might, China? lol, I don't think so. China is piss poor, except for several cities. Although, China has been building a rather scary war-machine for the past 30 years plus. But like many communists, they don't need melee force to take over a country. They use ideas and tearing down of morals and values to overcome a certain aspect.

Meanwhile they still have the world's largest army and in an event of war are prepared to mobilize over 200 mil. So in between tearing down moral values they can really easily tear down US army.

Russia on the other hand, has the best military hardware design and production. I don't know what Russia is building, but I bet you know ALL their secret? Russia doesn't strike me as stupid, don't get me wrong, but Japan is by far the most technically advanced culture thus far with Israel and America close behind. As far as production, I don't know their export and import charts.

So to answer your question. NO the SCO is a joke.

Eh, military hardware wise Japan is nothere near the top, US and Russia are at the top. And yes Russia does produce some very good equipment and we are the largest exporter of arms on earth. We are arming China right now.

SCO did do stuff, we kicked the yanks out of Uzbekistan and we had a bundle of joint military exercises against terrorists. (during those exercises our marines took beaches and fought in the country, because i guess the terrorists like their beaches. Just something to think about, the motivation for those exercises.)


@Bushido

EU countries do have top-line equipment but so does Russia and Russian and Chinese equipment vastly outnumbers that of the west.