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Old 11-09-2005, 02:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Government elections

It has been widely known in the United States that republicans have held themajority of political power for years. Do you think that George W. Bush and his administration are bringing about a change in american politics? For example, Tim Kaine, a democrat, was elected tonight as Virginia's 70th govenor. A considerable election considering George W. himself endorsed Jerry Kilgore. More substantial is the fact that Virginia is a republican state. Discuss.
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Old 11-09-2005, 03:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think the Republican party is imploding, and the democrats are deciding it is time to pull their finger out of their ass. However, in 2008 if the republicans put someone like Guiliani up for elecion in the presidential race I think they would still stand a shot at controlling the executive branch of the govt.
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Old 11-09-2005, 08:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The democrats are thinking about putting up Mark Warner for President in 2008 I've heard. Nbc said it last night.
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Old 11-09-2005, 09:05 PM   #4 (permalink)
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All I know is that ol' Arnold had his state erupt in his face. 4 special election ballets? 4 special election ballets DENIED! You fail.

The Republican Party is in a state of disarray, but I still don't think the Democrats will take control again. :/ Everyone sucks.
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Old 11-09-2005, 09:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Just to throw it out there, in case it isn't clear, though I do prefer to Republican Party over the Democratic Party, I have zero faith in either. In my lifetime, I have seen nothing except unfit leadership by both parties.

This election of the Virginia governors has to be the worse run campaigns I have ever seen. This is a very general description, but the two mainstream did not run their campaign off of issues in the spotlight, but instead it was a insult and defend campaign.

The way in which campaigns are being run sickens me. It seemed every Kilgore ad I saw attacked Kaine and every Kaine ad defended against these attacks with a backhanded slap at the end. I heard on WTOP that one of the New Jersey candidates attacked the other by quoting his x-wife about how he failed her or whatnot.

I can't put it any simpler than politics in the United States has completely failed. We as the American people no longer the option to vote for two candidates that openly debate the issue for what is better for the people of the United States, but instead two candidates that decide what is best with nothing more than partisanship. This, of course, is referring to the two mainstream parties.

I could go on in my ranting of how much I despise the Republican Party and Democratic Party as the only two mainstream parties, but I will stop here and just say Lights summed up everything I said: "Everyone sucks."

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However, in 2008 if the republicans put someone like Guiliani up for elecion in the presidential race I think they would still stand a shot at controlling the executive branch of the govt.
I really think, though this is just my opinion, the Republican Party is too much a puppet of the radical religious right to put Giuliani up for presidency.
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Old 11-09-2005, 09:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I have come to a conclusion that there needs to be a new party introduced into the system that will either A) Replace the Republican Party B) Replace the democratic Party and have a more moderate perspective. I have found that both parties have too little to offer me being a moderate conservative. But I am a conservative Democrat at the moment. I think too many people associate the word Conservative with the republican party.

This, however, is false; and I am a living example of this. To be conservative means your 1 of two things. You can be a religious conservative (Christian) and uphold the values of christianity in society; or you could be a Fiscal Conservative. I am a fiscal conservative who believes that President Bush's tax cuts have been put towards the wrong places. Instead of cutting the taxes. Why not shift the funds more towards education and social security? We could have killed two birds with one stone if we had just shifted some funds around; that is off topic though.

I personally believe that the republican party is going to lose in 08 primarily because of Bush. Once the numbers are in everybody will be like they have always been "OMG THIS PRESIDENCY ****ED UP NOW LETS GO VOTE FOR THE OTHER PARTY!!! THEY MUST BE BETTERZ!" Which I think is just stupid. It is time for both sides Republicans and Democrats to get the sticks out of their asses and realize that if we just worked together we could accomplish far more than we could if we were divided.

Edit: I also consider arnold to be the worst fiscal conservative I have seen in a long time. LETS CUT FUNDING TO SCHOOLS SO THAT THEY WILL PERFORM BETTER!!!! please.
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Old 11-10-2005, 03:50 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I really think, though this is just my opinion, the Republican Party is too much a puppet of the radical religious right to put Giuliani up for presidency.
I agree, but judging by the opinon polls I have seen a moderate and someone as popular as Guiliani is the only real chance I see them having. Of course, what do I know, I thought Bush would have been blown out of the water in the 04 election.
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Yea, if the Democrats play it right, they should win in '08. They can get a LOT of voters just by playing up with what 'Bush and the Republicans have done.' 'Cause, like him or not, Bush's approval ratings are loooooow, and he is the face of the Republican party as President. If Hillary runs, it pains me to say, she may just win it - even being a woman. But then again, Giuliani is a name with a lot of love behind it. In any case, politics suck.

I don't really want to label myself as a party. I am still young and my economical philosophies are incredibly undeveloped. I can honestly say I do not know where I stand on the spectrum there. I mean, tax cuts are nice.. but is the money our government loses going to be made back by a spark of consumer activity? And I don't really know where I stand in the balance of Government spending/deficit reduction (A certain amount of spending is required, but then, where should teh cuts be made to lessen the deficit? A delicate situation.)

However, when it comes to social issues, I am all across the board. I support gay marriage, which is considered wildly liberal, but I am against abortion. So I suppose I would call myself Libertarian socially, save for the idea of abortion (which, in my mind, isn't against woman's rights, but for the rights and freedoms of the child inside her). But I am still developing all that too.

But I will NOT be voting Hillary in '08. That much I can say for certain.
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Old 11-10-2005, 05:02 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I won't be voting either major party untill there is some radical change. Maybe if the democrats go with Dennis Kucinich, but he doesn't stand a snow balls chance in hell of winning an election.
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Yea, if the Democrats play it right, they should win in '08. They can get a LOT of voters just by playing up with what 'Bush and the Republicans have done.' 'Cause, like him or not, Bush's approval ratings are loooooow, and he is the face of the Republican party as President.
and yet when 9/11 happened, he had the highest approval ratings weird huh? maybe if the news stations would actually tell positive stories from this operation maybe the ratings would be changed some what. Seeing as how that dosnt make money they show all the crap. "another soldier killed" "death toll rising" i mean cmon do they tell how many of their soldiers we killed?

here is a link to show how many deaths we have had through different wars.
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Horseface or assbrains? That was the 04 election, but the horseface had assbrains too so I went for the guy with a country accent. Politics have gone to hell. We have a stupid idiot controlling our country and the devil telling him what to do.
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