Druggies vs Straight edge.

[Static]

Originally Posted by TrongaMonga

Drugs are just one more experience. If it makes people more aware? Perhaps. Depends on how the straigth used his time.

While the druggie is high and thinking something unrelated to the real world, the straight would actually be doing something in the field. They could actually reach the same conclusion with different manners. That's not unnusual, really.

However, druggies are far more influented (let's assume that both have same intellegence and all that crap) than straights.

I enjoy your veiws.

There are two kinds of druggies. Druggies that mooch, and druggies that work. My father is an excelent example of a druggie who works. He makes upwards of 500 a week. Its nothing extravagent but it gets him what he wants on both fields.

The moochers are the ones who go no where and will do nothing. All druggies have the mooch phase, wether they come out of it or not is the question.

[Glowpole]

a good example of moochers is snoop-dog...*refer to half-bake

[jd-inflames]

And to think, when you started a debate about straight edge people, I figured you were going to refer to everything they believe in.

I find nothing indifferent about someone who chooses not to do drugs, but people who refrain from all sexual thoughts? That's just downright ludicris...imagine the poor sap having to clean his sheets after his nightly wet dreams for having too much 'backup' >.<

[Glowpole]

besides drugs been helping ugly fat peole get laid since forever........without drugs we'd be nothing but a bunch of horney virgins waiting to explode on somthing.

[Zerglite]

Originally Posted by glowpole

besides drugs been helping ugly fat peole get laid since forever........without drugs we'd be nothing but a bunch of horney virgins waiting to explode on somthing.

not to mention all the murders commited by people under the influence, without drugs they might still be alive!!!!

[jd-inflames]

There is no evidence of drugs 'causing' any murders. Drugs don't cause people to kill each other, stupid mother****ers with guns cause people to kill each other.

And Glowpole, drugs have only gotten me laid twice, thank you. :lovedup

[Bret]

I work with a burn-out at work. He is 30 some years old, and life is worthless; unless you count flipping burgers situlating. Weed owns his life, and he can never escape it. He's too burnt.
I work with this man, and from his examples drugs cause nothing but pain and suffering. Although, I can't say I owe it all to him. The other 30 people that only stay for a week before they are thrown into jail or selling or smoking the shit also have shown me that these people will never go anywhere in their lives. So many companies require the piss-test; a lot of low pay companies too.
I know NO one who is a slave to drugs and is doing well in the world.

Zerglite, you mean more like gang activity? Yeah, gangs use drugs like people breath air. So yes, drugs do kill people.

[TrongaMonga]

Originally Posted by Static

I enjoy your veiws.

There are two kinds of druggies. Druggies that mooch, and druggies that work. My father is an excelent example of a druggie who works. He makes upwards of 500 a week. Its nothing extravagent but it gets him what he wants on both fields.

The moochers are the ones who go no where and will do nothing. All druggies have the mooch phase, wether they come out of it or not is the question.

Yes, precisely what I said. There's also that separation of groups in the straights.

Hell, even in women there's that.

[l33t 0n3]

Originally Posted by jd-inflames

There is no evidence of drugs 'causing' any murders. Drugs don't cause people to kill each other, stupid mother****ers with guns cause people to kill each other.

And Glowpole, drugs have only gotten me laid twice, thank you. :lovedup

So you're saying an average guy on, say, meth/crack/etc would not be any more likely to kill a man with the gun than another average man unimpaired by drugs? Give me a break, there is evidence of drugs causing murders. They change what goes on in your head, which would quite obviously cause a murder that would not occur without the presence of drugs. I'll believe you if you find a credible source saying that there is no evidence of drugs causing murder with science to back it.

Anyways my stance on drugs is: There's a time and place for everything, and it's called College. If you do drugs when you're like 15, you're a loser. If you do them when you're 40, you're a loser. If you do them in your late teens to early thirties, that's completely normal.. And by drugs, I mean *drugs*, not alchohol/cigarettes/weed/cough syrup (lol fags)/etc. I mean real drugs, like meth, painkiller abuse, heroin, etc. Right now, I'm "straight edge" or whatever, since the most I do is drink (and rarely at that), but I'm assuming that'll change when I'm in college. I mean come on, you have to have some fun in college. You'll go insane and snap if you don't..

Doing drugs too early on ****s your life up, and doing them when you're old gets you on Cops... Not to mention that you should have grown up by 40-50..

[Static]

I think straight edges are just jealous they don't have the mental fortitude to try what we do. Balless pigs.

[Venice_native]

How is escaping reality "mental fortitude"?

[Zerglite]

Originally Posted by jd-inflames

There is no evidence of drugs 'causing' any murders. Drugs don't cause people to kill each other, stupid mother****ers with guns cause people to kill each other.

OD'ing
irrationality
operating machinery


none of those neccesarily include guns, please shut your ****ing mouth. K THX.

[Venice_native]

Right, but that is involuntary manslaughter, not murder. Murder is the intentional act of killing somone.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by jd-inflames

There is no evidence of drugs 'causing' any murders. Drugs don't cause people to kill each other, stupid mother****ers with guns cause people to kill each other.

Theres is definantly major evidence apposing what you said.

[Tempest Storm]

Originally Posted by l33t 0n3

So you're saying an average guy on, say, meth/crack/etc would not be any more likely to kill a man with the gun than another average man unimpaired by drugs?

Most murder are commited by sober men.

Give me a break, there is evidence of drugs causing murders.

Bue to prohibition, drugs are like money. You hold a kilo of coke in your hand, you might as well be holding 10 grand in your hands. That why people kill eachother over drugs, because the shit's worth a lot.

They change what goes on in your head, which would quite obviously cause a murder that would not occur without the presence of drugs.

Some drugs, not all, nor many.

I'll believe you if you find a credible source saying that there is no evidence of drugs causing murder with science to back it.

If you think things though a bit, you realize that many of society's drug related problems can be traced back to prohibition, which historically raise crime.

Anyways my stance on drugs is: There's a time and place for everything, and it's called College.

So, the fun in ones life should be fit in a small 4 year period? Why?

If you do drugs when you're like 15, you're a loser. If you do them when you're 40, you're a loser.

I know very successful 40yos that smoke dope who make 100 grand a year. Oh yea, big loser.

If you do them in your late teens to early thirties, that's completely normal..

I thought you said they should only be done in college?

I mean real drugs, like meth, painkiller abuse, heroin, etc.

Uh, those are all genuinely dangerous drugs that will take hold of your life. You get on heroin or painkillers, there's a good chance you'll die before you get off those.

And meth is one of those drugs that makes you more likely to kill people.

Doing drugs too early on ****s your life up, and doing them when you're old gets you on Cops... Not to mention that you should have grown up by 40-50..

Cops actually target teens moreso than old people for the simple reason that teens are more likely to do drugs than adults.

[Forged]

Theres is definantly major evidence apposing what you said.

No there isn't, as he said, stupid mother ****ers with guns kill people. It might be a stupid mother ****er on drugs, but a stupid mother ****er all the same.

[jd-inflames]

none of those neccesarily include guns, please shut your ****ing mouth. K THX.

Theres is definantly major evidence apposing what you said.

Proof? Children children children. I can promise I've done just about every drug on the market worth doing, none create any kind of violent urge other than PCP...and that just makes you hostile, not homocidally violent. And it made my penis go numb which was the primary source of my hostilities...but still. So until you can find me logical truth of your claims, shut your ****ing mouth. K THX.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Forged

No there isn't, as he said, stupid mother ****ers with guns kill people. It might be a stupid mother ****er on drugs, but a stupid mother ****er all the same.

But drugs cause bad and unwanted decisions. Thus resulting in things happening that they would have thought through and handled differently if they were sober.

Originally Posted by jd-inflames

Proof? Children children children. I can promise I've done just about every drug on the market worth doing, none create any kind of violent urge other than PCP...and that just makes you hostile, not homocidally violent. And it made my penis go numb which was the primary source of my hostilities...but still. So until you can find me logical truth of your claims, shut your ****ing mouth. K THX.

www.google.com

And weed is pretty much the only drug that I know of that doesnt cause that much harm. So yeah. Go Weed.

[l33t 0n3]

Most murder are commited by sober men.

Source? Correct or not, it is undeniable that drugs do make you more likely to kill another person IN GENERAL. I'm sure you can name some drugs that don't, but a significant porportion of them do. The conjecture that most murders are commited by sober men still doesn't prove that drugs do not make one more likely to commit murder. It can just as easily prove that most people don't do drugs.

Some drugs, not all, nor many.

Not all, but I do say that many drugs do.

So, the fun in ones life should be fit in a small 4 year period? Why?

That's a saying, you don't have to hold me to the balls for it. I basically mean roughly age 20-35 or so. Also if you need drugs to have fun, you lead one pathetic life bud..

I know very successful 40yos that smoke dope who make 100 grand a year. Oh yea, big loser.

I intended the usage of hard drugs, not dope/cigs/alchohol. I know quite a few millionaires who smoke dope too. Anyone who does *hard* drugs and is trying to raise kids is a loser in my books. I'm sure you can agree with me that you shouldn't be smoking crack with kids (let alone doing any drugs or drinking at all during pregnancy if you're the woman)..

Cops actually target teens moreso than old people for the simple reason that teens are more likely to do drugs than adults.

That and that teens have lives ahead of them..

Anyways, drugs causing hostility depends on the kind of person you are. If you're naturally a hostile person, drugs will incline you towards homicide, just as a bad relationship would make a depressed person inclined to commit suicide. If you're an over-all calm person, you should be fine for the most part. Moreso, it is also affected by having a shitty day as opposed to a nice one, and the people you're with. If you're high on whatever drug and someone gropes your girlfriend or something, you may have a bit of a reason to shank them or something..

[Static]

Originally Posted by leet one

Source? Correct or not, it is undeniable that drugs do make you more likely to kill another person IN GENERAL

I think the most murders come from the ones who have taken drug use to the extreme and fiend for it as their life essence. Which is very possible with drugs in the Cocain area.

Acid on the other hand can make your logic ascue and easily impressionable. IE Manson Family.

The logic of Drugs make people murders is just flawwed. Its like the arguement that Death Metal makes people into cannibalistic freaks.

*chew chew*