Aid for Pakistan?

[Lizardbreath]

As we all know there was a devestating earthquake in Pakistan/India that has killed up to 30,000 people and destroyed thousands of buildings. My question is .... Should we give aid to the same people who burn american flags and chant anti-american slogans? The same people who harbor our #1 most wanted terrorist? The same people who said that Hurrican Katrina was Allah's way of punishing the infidels? I think we shouldn't help them and we should let them rot. I have no pity for those people in the least bit.

[Bret]

Neither do I, but they will get help regardless of who says what. Its the right thing to do. But again, they will get help no matter what. America has a lot of money and is already supporting tons of other countries. We support a lot of economies in europe who should get a damn penny. Why not this one support this country.

[Emperor Pan I]

Originally Posted by lizardbreath

My question is .... Should we give aid to the same people who burn american flags and chant anti-american slogans?

Your like a walking Republican fear campaign. I'm sure all the people in Pakistan dance around camp fires cursing the evil Americans and throw american flags into the fire. I mean they must, because their a muslim country and everyon in there is muslim, even the girls who were crushed while attending school. I mean God thier all evil.

The same people who harbor our #1 most wanted terrorist?

Does the fact that the name ends in "-stan" make it no different from other countries. The United States doesn't even care if they catch Laden any time soon. You who are so knowledgable have decided Pakistan is hiding him. Tell me where you have come up with that knowledge. Maybe you just like to believe rumors, but there is no proof, and if anything Pakistan is likely not aiding him.

The same people who said that Hurrican Katrina was Allah's way of punishing the infidels? I think we shouldn't help them and we should let them rot. I have no pity for those people in the least bit.

So we can judge an entire country, and the lives of 30,000 people on what you've ben told a bunch of extremists have said?

[Lizardbreath]

Originally Posted by Pan

Your like a walking Republican fear campaign. I'm sure all the people in Pakistan dance around camp fires cursing the evil Americans and throw american flags into the fire. I mean they must, because their a muslim country and everyon in there is muslim, even the girls who were crushed while attending school. I mean God thier all evil.

I am not a republican in the least bit. Secondly, I wasn't referring in any way that we should not help because they are muslim. My view is, and always will be, any country that has a majority of it's population that has openly held anti-U.S Rallies on a regular basis. DOES NOT DESERVE OUR AID.


Does the fact that the name ends in "-stan" make it no different from other countries. The United States doesn't even care if they catch Laden any time soon. You who are so knowledgable have decided Pakistan is hiding him. Tell me where you have come up with that knowledge. Maybe you just like to believe rumors, but there is no proof, and if anything Pakistan is likely not aiding him.

Yes, CNN must have been lying when the pentagon announced that they believe he had fled to nearby pakistan and was taking refuge with other insurgents. Get your facts straight before you post.


So we can judge an entire country, and the lives of 30,000 people on what you've ben told a bunch of extremists have said?

-If a group of people on your street decided that they hated you and have openly staged rallies against you. You would not help them if they needed help. If you did help them, Darwinism will take place and hopefully will eliminate you. The weaker.

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[B)ushid(o]

Originally Posted by lizardbreath

Yes, CNN must have been lying when the pentagon announced that they believe he had fled to nearby pakistan and was taking refuge with other insurgents. Get your facts straight before you post.

Believe. What you're doing is convicting them of a crime before the actual facts come in.

Even if a "majority" of its population is anti-American, it doesn't change the fact that they're a country in need of assistance. The Pakistani government was, and still is, one of our closest allies in the region. They're supporting our initiative agaisnt terrorism. Not supporting them when they're in need of assistance would weaken our bond.

Hell, Cuba gave aid for Katrina and they're far from friendly with the U.S.

At that... "Majority"?

Originally Posted by Pew Center Poll

Pakistanis expressed highly favorable opinions of their president; 86% rate him favorably, and 60% view him very favorably, by far the highest rating of any leader in the survey.

Nice majority, there.

[Bret]

Originally Posted by Pan

Your like a walking Republican fear campaign. I'm sure all the people in Pakistan dance around camp fires cursing the evil Americans and throw american flags into the fire. I mean they must, because their a muslim country and everyon in there is muslim, even the girls who were crushed while attending school. I mean God thier all evil.

One bad apple ruins the bunch. A lot more than you think don't want American help, just our money.

[Tipsy]

I'm going to have to agree with most people in this thread and simply say yes we should give them aid. Would it matter to me even if 90% of them loathed America? Would it matter to me if they were from the 'supposive' axis of evil such as North Korea? The answer is no. A person in need is a person in need whether it is an enemy or a friend. If Osama Bin Laden himself was hurt in the natural disaster I would want him to be given aid (and then unbiasly apprehended and fairly tried, though still given aid). Then again, this is massively influenced by my thinking that much more needs to be done in foreign aid, specifically to fight poverty.

[Snagg]

Hey, at least people are helping each other over there, not shooting each other and raping the women... unlike some country...

[Laharl]

We can really trust the pentagon because no government in existance has EVER lied to it's people.

[TheJanitor]

I'd help them even if I knew for a fact they were all terrorists who hated the U.S and even my own country.

[Firebat]

The government of Pakistan actually is supporting the US...and if the US gives aid to pakistan wouldn't that change the view of americans to the pakistanis?

[Lizardbreath]

Originally Posted by TheJanitor

I'd help them even if I knew for a fact they were all terrorists who hated the U.S and even my own country.

Nice, so your a good person because you would help somebody who would kill you on sight.... You're not caring; your just plain dumb.

[amrtin77]

lizard, people are dying. the politics of the situation should be ignored, because these people arent a bunch of terrorists that go around looking for americans to kill. even if a lot of them are politically anti american, is that a reason to kill them? the vast majority arent doing anyone any harm. they are jsut trying to survive in a crappy situation, and youve got a ****ed up mind if you want to deny them help because of some spiteful thinking towards that region.

I'd help them even if I knew for a fact they were all terrorists who hated the U.S and even my own country.

now this is just stupid, i agree with lizard here. we spend a lot of money trying to kill militiants, if an earthquake magically took out 30,000 of them then so be it. why help them out?

[Laharl]

I'm a extreme pacifist. Takes a lot for me to do something * shrugs *

And, most of them aren't out to kill much of anyone, anyways.

[Lizardbreath]

Originally Posted by amrtin77

lizard, people are dying. the politics of the situation should be ignored, because these people arent a bunch of terrorists that go around looking for americans to kill. even if a lot of them are politically anti american, is that a reason to kill them?

-Maybe next time they will think twice before they hold, yet another, anti-american protest if we don't help them out. I see no point in helping people that are ungrateful and hate everything that I am.


the vast majority arent doing anyone any harm. they are jsut trying to survive in a crappy situation, and youve got a ****ed up mind if you want to deny them help because of some spiteful thinking towards that region.




now this is just stupid, i agree with lizard here. we spend a lot of money trying to kill militiants, if an earthquake magically took out 30,000 of them then so be it. why help them out?

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[x42bn6]

If 99% of Pakistan was terrorist-supporting, then I would agree with you.

But these people are innocent. They need help.*

[Laharl]

Their anger at Americans is understandable. They owe your country millions of dollars; and the aid (Except from not-for-profit organizations) isn't free. The loans are not free, and in fact carry massive interest rates.

Yes, they are angry and I would be too.

[amrtin77]

-Maybe next time they will think twice before they hold, yet another, anti-american protest if we don't help them out. I see no point in helping people that are ungrateful and hate everything that I am.

assume you are protesting the iraq war and the current presidency, and suddenly everyone protesting in that city gets stuck in an earthquake. Is it acceptable for the government to just say "these people disagree with us, and many have personal grudges against us. lets just let them die." Thats childish. If a person is dying, and has no intentions of hurting you, why let them die off because they have different political views?


and how do you expect them to be grateful towards us if we dont help them when they need it the most?

now come on, thats just ****ing stupid.

[T.J. The Weird One]

I'm sorry you couldn't realize this but hate breeds more hate. The more we hate the more everyone hates.

Yes we should help them they may think where evil SOBs but they need help. Where not going to get them on our side by saying "hey look there suffering lets laugh at them." No they are humans humans have flaws and to do nothing would be an even bigger flaw in humanity.

I'm pretty sure you judge people by sterotypes you have heard in the past like, nevermind i'll end up offending people. You are pretty immature, people need help and even if they just use us and never give a second thought about what we did for them we would know what we did and in the end that's all that matters. They most likely will see what we did as a good thing and if they dont its there lost not ours.

Originally Posted by amrtin77

now this is just stupid, i agree with lizard here. we spend a lot of money trying to kill militiants, if an earthquake magically took out 30,000 of them then so be it. why help them out?

also you dont you realize that the U.S. dropped an A bomb on Japan and then helped them rebuild? Japan started the whole damn thing. You wanna know why the U.S. did that? because it was the right thing to do. We hurt Japan then helped them if our enemys suffer something like this and we just walk away it'll get worst in the end.

We spend alot of money on the A bomb but we still helped Japan after dropping it on them. I have a friend who thinks the U.S. shouldn't have helped Japan but we did and it was the right choice.

(and yes I know I should have put this into a better order but I did not feel like it)

[Lizardbreath]

Originally Posted by amrtin77

assume you are protesting the iraq war and the current presidency, and suddenly everyone protesting in that city gets stuck in an earthquake. Is it acceptable for the government to just say "these people disagree with us, and many have personal grudges against us. lets just let them die." Thats childish. If a person is dying, and has no intentions of hurting you, why let them die off because they have different political views?


-There is a HUGE difference here. You don't see people dancing around in the streets stating that they are going to kill our government and all the people who support it. These people have hated us for a really long time. Do you really think that this is going to change after we help them out a couple of times? No.


and how do you expect them to be grateful towards us if we dont help them when they need it the most?

now come on, thats just ****ing stupid.

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