Your thoughts on the world ending

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

hahaha so u say all those who don't follow god are immoral since god = morality. hahah

Morality is a complex of principles based on cultural, religious, and philosophical concepts and beliefs, by which an individual determines whether his or her actions are right or wrong. These concepts and beliefs are often generalized and codified by a culture or group, and thus serve to regulate the behavior of its members. Conformity to such codification may also be called morality, and the group may depend on widespread conformity to such codes for its continued existence.

SO THEREFORE MORALITY VARIES FROM ONE GROUP TO ANOTHER, MAKING THE WHOLE CONCEPT RELATIVE..hahaha.

Perhaps you should read your whole source from now on. Your source seems to agree with me that what morality consists of is based on opinion. To quote your own source:

Religions typically hold that morality is not a human construct, but is the work of God. For example, in Judeo-Christian religions, one or another version of the Ten Commandments is held to have been issued directly to mankind by God. Moreover, religions often hold that the human conscience, the internal mechanism through which one senses the moral aspect of actions, is infused in mankind by God.

Congratulations, you just posted a source that said morality can be both of those things, going back to exactly my point of what morality consists of is based on opinion.

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

they are facts.. facts approved by many and back up by many arguments.. omg.. LOL.

Your opinions are not fact.

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

first of all the MAN didn't committed any evil.. the woman did. also from the bible god did mistakes also so therefore he cannot be called perfect either?

The term man can refer to a human regardless of their gender. According to Roman Catholic beliefs God is perfect and he never made a mistake.

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

EVERYTHING WHICH CANNOT BE PROVEN, DOES NOT EXIST.

Do you realize how much of science is not ‘proven’? For example, atomic theory is not proven, it may be a well developed and supported theory, but proven? I don’t think so. We do not understand how to prove atoms to exist because we lack the knowledge of how to construct something or create something that will allow us to. So since atoms can’t be proven to exist right now, I guess they don’t exist, at least that is what your logic is telling me.

I’m guessing you believe the existence of atoms is a lie that the governments and scientists of the world feed to us.

[VBadGirl]

LOL your dna argument was weak. they KNEW it exists.. they KNEW its the key base of EVERY SINGLE life form (coz dna does not resume to human beings only) .. the only thing was they weren't technological advanced enough to fully study it and document it. but it was an universal truth that DNA exists.. nobody doubted.

believing in something without needing proof

that equals in my dictionary with being an idiot. i have faith in my friend and my friend comes and says.. kill yourself you are worthless.. so i go.. kill myself coz my friend says so.. and i cannot appreciate for myself if he is right or wrong. But HEY! i got faith.. in him, i don't need any proof coz i trust him blindly..

ok.. yeaaaaaah right.

I never said bible is a bad book nor teaching bad stuff. indeed it does teaches you to do good, to love the one next to you but that.. is not a good enough argument to justify the whole religion and their claim some god exists,.. and he is the only one..maker of all and... [insert churchy stereotypes in here]

no scientist ever tried proving the bible itself its bad.. just.. that.. its not real.. that those things in there have 10% truth in it (history) and 90% fiction.

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

LOL your dna argument was weak. they KNEW it exists.. they KNEW its the key base of EVERY SINGLE life form (coz dna does not resume to human beings only) .. the only thing was they weren't technological advanced enough to fully study it and document it. but it was an universal truth that DNA exists.. nobody doubted.

Yet it contradicts your statement:

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

EVERYTHING WHICH CANNOT BE PROVEN, DOES NOT EXIST.

Atoms cannot be proven to exist before now or even now. By your logic that means atoms do not exist. It is as simple as that.

[OMGLOLWTFPWN]

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Please refrain from flaming.
-Tipsy

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by TreeFrog123

http://www.visionlearning.com/librar...wer.php?mid=50

****ing noob

Where does it say that it is a proven fact? I believe the word 'theory' is still on the end of "atomic theory". As I have pointed out, a theory is a hypothesis with substanical information supporting it, however it is not proven fact.

[VBadGirl]

Originally Posted by Tipsy

Religions typically hold that morality is not a human construct, but is the work of God. For example, in Judeo-Christian religions, one or another version of the Ten Commandments is held to have been issued directly to mankind by God. Moreover, religions often hold that the human conscience, the internal mechanism through which one senses the moral aspect of actions, is infused in mankind by God.

RELIGIONS HOLD its your ****ing keyword.. and if u read only a phrase back you find out that:
A morality can be derived from many sources. For many individuals, morality is influenced, to a large degree, not by religion or theology, but other, secular, ethical codes are also followed.

MY GOD.. that one which doesn't even freaking exist anyway.. stupid.. expression

it means MORALITY IS RELATIVE. and more R-C is NOT THE ONLY and single religion existent in this freaking world. RELIGIONS! its has the PLURAL form.

The term man can refer to a human regardless of their gender.

I am a woman and i INSIST you leaving me one.

According to Roman Catholic beliefs God is perfect and he never made a mistake.

explain the arch of Noah plz.. and why god himself admitted it was a mistake for him to take that extreme action against his own children. Where is your perfect god now?

sorry for double post.. but it answers different things.

Originally Posted by Tipsy

Yet it contradicts your statement:
Atoms cannot be proven to exist before now or even now. By your logic that means atoms do not exist. It is as simple as that.

I guess ATOMIC bomb is a god's miracle then.. hahahaha

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

RELIGIONS HOLD its your ****ing keyword.. and if u read only a phrase back you find out that:
A morality can be derived from many sources. For many individuals, morality is influenced, to a large degree, not by religion or theology, but other, secular, ethical codes are also followed.

MY GOD.. that one which doesn't even freaking exist anyway.. stupid.. expression

it means MORALITY IS RELATIVE. and more R-C is NOT THE ONLY and single religion existent in this freaking world. RELIGIONS! its has the PLURAL form.

Roman Catholocism believes morality is universal, as your source pointed out by describing many Judeo-Christian religions believe it is so. I once again say that what morality consists of is opinion. You believe it is relative, I believe it is universal. My argument on what morality consists of is that what morality is, is up to interpretation and opinion, you say that your opinion of one definition over another is fact.

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

explain the arch of Noah plz.. and why god himself admitted it was a mistake for him to take that extreme action against his own children. Where is your perfect god now?

"The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done." (Genesis 8:21)

(Full chapter 8 of Genesis below)
(http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8;&version=49;)

If you are referring to that, then I do not see where the 'mistake' was made.

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

I guess ATOMIC bomb is a god's miracle then.. hahahaha

I myself believe in the existence of atoms, it is your logic that denies it.

[Angelicpower]

Today 09:07 PM
VBadGirl LOL your dna argument was weak. they KNEW it exists.. they KNEW its the key base of EVERY SINGLE life form (coz dna does not resume to human beings only) .. the only thing was they weren't technological advanced enough to fully study it and document it. but it was an universal truth that DNA exists.. nobody doubted.

OK smartazz..go back 175 years and 3 months, a time when they knew nothing of DNA..in your mind it didn't exist because it hadn't been proven.

1944 Oswald Avery, and his colleagues Maclyn McCarty and Colin MacLeod, identify Griffith's transforming agent as DNA. However, their discovery is greeted with skepticism, in part because many scientists still believe that DNA is too simple a molecule to be the genetic material.
I think that is doubt of exactly what dna is.


Today 09:07 PM
VBadGirl that equals in my dictionary with being an idiot. i have faith in my friend and my friend comes and says.. kill yourself you are worthless.. so i go.. kill myself coz my friend says so.. and i cannot appreciate for myself if he is right or wrong. But HEY! i got faith.. in him, i don't need any proof coz i trust him blindly..


You do not have 100% full complete and total faith in your friend,you do not know if your friend will fail you in one or another..but we know that God will never fail!

Psalm 118
5 I called upon the LORD in distress: the LORD answered me, and set me in a large place.
6 The LORD is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?
7 The LORD taketh my part with them that help me: therefore shall I see my desire upon them that hate me.
8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
9 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.

Today 09:07 PM
VBadGirl no scientist ever tried proving the bible itself its bad.. just.. that.. its not real.. that those things in there have 10% truth in it (history) and 90% fiction.

How can it be that untrue when it speaks of people that did live and places that do exist..items that did exist..they recreated the mystical vehicle spoken of by Ezekiel..they can't figure out exactly how to make it fly but they know it will fly if they could only figure out how.

Ezekiel 1
15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.
16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

There are still ancient buildings and walls that the Bible speaks of!

Hazor was the largest city in the southern Levant for much of the 2nd millennium BCE and closely associated with the large and powerful Bronze Age city-states in Syria. Texts unearthed at Mari, in Syria, Tel el-Amarna, Egypt, and in Hazor itself describe the Canaanite city’s role in international trade and diplomacy and suggest Hazor’s autonomy from Egypt during the New Kingdom period when most of Canaan was under Egyptian control. The Late Bronze Age city was destroyed sometime in the 13th century BCE, perhaps during the Israelite incursions into Canaan described in the Book of Joshua, which describes Hazor as the “head of all those kingdoms” (Joshua 11:10). After several centuries of limited occupation, Hazor was rebuilt in the 10th century BCE, probably as part of King Solomon’s building activities described in 1 Kings 9:15. The Israelite city prospered briefly before it was destroyed in 732 BCE by the Assyrians under Tiglath-Pileser III (2 Kings 15:29). This brief sketch of Hazor’s history during the Bronze and Iron Ages may now be filled in with the results of the current Hebrew University excavation project, which will enter its 13th season in the summer of 2002.

Hazor was first excavated for four seasons in the 1950s and again in 1968-1969 by the Institute of Archaeology at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem under the direction of one of the fathers of Israeli archaeology, Yigael Yadin. Yadin’s team opened excavation areas in both the 30-acre Upper City – the tel proper – and the 170-acre Lower City and identified an occupation sequence beginning in Early Bronze II (early 3rd century BCE) on the tel and Middle Bronze IIB (ca. 1800 BCE) in the Lower City. Although these excavations were quite successful in revealing the chronology, character, and physical extent of the site, they also raised a number of questions that could not be resolved without further excavation. Yadin planned to return Hazor until his untimely death in 1984.

The renewed excavation project has focused much attention on the Late Bronze Age (ca. 1550-1200 BCE) remains at Hazor, especially a Canaanite palace discovered in Area A at the center of the tel.The palace core, which is dominated by a central throne room, was constructed of mudbrick walls faced with basalt orthostats and a floor built of planks of costly cedar of Lebanon. Among the many artifacts recovered from the palace are fragments of ivory plaques and boxes, cylinder seals and beads, figurines, two bronze statues of kings or deities, and the largest Bronze Age anthropomorphic statue ever found in Israel, made of basalt and standing over three feet tall.

Three cuneiform tablets were also found in the palace core, which led the excavators to believe that an archive was close at hand. Indeed, in a palace built on almost the exact same plan at Alalakh, in Syria an archive room with the remains of hundreds of cuneiform documents was uncovered, and the location of this room roughly corresponds to the spot in the Hazor palace where the three tablets were found. People didn't understand the biological nature of germs until relatively recently (the last few hundred years). Yet in the Old Testament cleanliness laws and food laws, you have an obvious understanding of germs. But those instructions from God came thousands of years before man even understood how germs were transmitted, or even what they were.

[VBadGirl]

Originally Posted by Tipsy

Roman Catholocism believes morality is universal, as your source pointed out by describing many Judeo-Christian religions believe it is so. I once again say that what morality consists of is opinion. You believe it is relative, I believe it is universal. My argument on what morality consists of is that what morality is, is up to interpretation and opinion, you say that your opinion of one definition over another is fact.

is its open for interpretation how can u say its UNIVERSAL? isn't universal accepted by each and single individual?
also Judaism and Christanity might believe in same GOD but Judaism does not believe in Christ. so what you are saying are mere speculations and assumptions.

"The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done." (Genesis 8:21)

oh geez it seems that god REGRETS what he has done... that he has hard feelings about it.. because it was the WRONG thing to do. how you explain the fact he said he will never curse the ground.. bla bla? if its not something wrong why not doing it again?

OK smartazz..go back 175 years and 3 months, a time when they knew nothing of DNA..in your mind it didn't exist because it hadn't been proven.

perhaps not studied because 175 years ago the human did not posses the tools to do so. now we do..

[t.A.T.u97]

I must say the main purpose of the topic was on What was your opinion on the world ending and that "theory" but It was bound to spark up peoples beliefs and non beliefs in god, which is alright, it does have something to do with the thread.

And Angelic, its great to have someone who is strong in their Christianity here @ the forums, Im impressed =0!

Edit: Also now that Rita has hit back to back, I think some people should be questioning if they don't believe..

[DaRkRaIn]

Dude...The World probably wont end until like year,3000 4000

[t.A.T.u97]

Originally Posted by WhiteScimmy91

Dude...The World probably wont end until like year,3000 4000

Imagine how our supplies and everything will be in the year 4000. Gas and what not will be through the rough, and evil and everything will just be out of hand.

[DaRkRaIn]

Originally Posted by t.A.T.u97

Imagine how our supplies and everything will be in the year 4000. Gas and what not will be through the rough, and evil and everything will just be out of hand.

May be true, but are intellegence is getting better,Technology is improving, we dont have to use gas, we can use, other things to replace gas its possible, And i dont belive everything will be out of hand we have kick ass solidgers fighting in iraq right now, everythings under control, we have sum allies too, but hell everything im saying might no be true.

[Harunobu]

Originally Posted by t.A.T.u97

Edit: Also now that Rita has hit back to back, I think some people should be questioning if they don't believe..

Oceans warm up every 25-40 years thus creating strong hurricanes and more frequent ones. This isn't the first time this has happened and it wont be the last.

[Angelicpower]

Tatu isn't speaking only of wars when she talks of evils..1 example is how society is being demoralized through t.v. and radio. The more man's mind is corrupted with all this sex and violence and verbal abuse, the more likely they will accept evils in their own homes. Look at how parents and children treat one another. Kids take guns to school and think cool. Women have killed pregnant women and took the baby (the babies survived). Through sex people are dying because of aids..and alot don't seem to mind taking the risk by having unprotected sex with whoever whenever they can. Aids, to me, is one of the many diseases and plagues he warns us of in the Bible.

Ty tatu..I wish others would study the Bible and scrolls more than they have..there is proof all around that the Bible is true but if people won't research it they will never see it.

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by VbadGirl

is its open for interpretation how can u say its UNIVERSAL? isn't universal accepted by each and single individual?
also Judaism and Christanity might believe in same GOD but Judaism does not believe in Christ. so what you are saying are mere speculations and assumptions.

I said it was my belief that morality is universal. However, if you have read any of my posts, what I am arguing is that what morality is (is it universal or relative) is open to interpretation or opinion because there is no proof behind whether God exists or not.

All I said was that many Judeo-Christian religions believe that morality is universal. Perhaps many of their moralities are different, I did not state otherwise, but many believe the morality they preach is universal. You seem to be putting words into my mouth.

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

oh geez it seems that god REGRETS what he has done... that he has hard feelings about it.. because it was the WRONG thing to do. how you explain the fact he said he will never curse the ground.. bla bla? if its not something wrong why not doing it again?

I don’t see any regret in there, I see him making a covenant with man. I don’t see how it was the wrong thing to do since the Old Testament had not yet been fulfilled and there was not yet any mercy, only justice.

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

aperhaps not studied because 175 years ago the human did not posses the tools to do so. now we do..

Yet, your logic seems to differ from what you just said:

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

EVERYTHING WHICH CANNOT BE PROVEN, DOES NOT EXIST.

It could not be proven 175 years ago, or to be safe, 1000 years ago, so by your logic it could not exist. You seem to be constantly throwing anything inconsistently just because you have yet to make a single point against one of my arguments.

[VBadGirl]

hey do you consider sex a sin angelic? :o.. lol. and ppl don't die coz of sex but because of lack of education and prevention.

[Angelicpower]

Originally Posted by VBadGirl

hey do you consider sex a sin angelic? :o.. lol. and ppl don't die coz of sex but because of lack of education and prevention.

And you think sex with anyone is ok??? Where are your morals girl? I suppose God allowed aids to exist to punish the ones who are having sex with anyone..sex is a special thing between 2 people..not something to be shared with 50 people..man could not learn from herpes or any other STD so now we have the killer, aids. We have proven your words wrong time and time again..and you ignore alot of it and just keep throwing out your ignorant babbling..I'll pray for you because you are in the dark and desperately lost!

[Harunobu]

So your god wishes to make us suffer. Some all-forgiving god that is

[Angelicpower]

Originally Posted by Harunobu

So your god wishes to make us suffer. Some all-forgiving god that is

Wow..shallow people..God expects you to do good...how ignorant are you all? If your dad says don't go to the party and you go..you are getting punished and will suffer the consequences of going against your dad's rule..same with the law..don't steal, you steal you will be punished! God has laws and consequences also! Fornication is a sin and there are punishments for it! This is why the world will be destroyed by man's hands and God will allow it to happen..people being so shallow and saying oh He wants us to suffer...do you say that of your parents when you are punished??