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| Did anyone ever stop to think that God meant the end times signs were brought on by us...science has decided that they can be just as wise as God..alot of things we create, because of what science has taught us, is also the very thing that has caused death and destruction by our own hands. We have created things that have screwed our air up..the ozone layer is in trouble. All through the Bible he warns of what mankind is going to become and what kinds of destructions will happen if they don't follow the proper pathway...The Bible is a history book and guide for us all to go by! He gives us freedom to choose right from wrong and alot of mankind has chosen wrong..earthmovers tearing the land up..trees being cut down for other uses..bombs..guns..all these things and many more that man has created and are destroying His world..Something to think about.
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| The world will be engulfed in the sun. The sun's hydrogen will be used up, the helium will ignite causing the sun to expand and expand until the sun is in the outer limits of it. All life will be incinerated, the sun will compress into a white dwarf and the earth will freeze from lack of light/heat.
The Earth (if it survives) will be a rock barren of all life, not unlike Pluto is thought to be.
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| #21 not really the freedom which 'god' gives its an illusion. you have no freedom if u believe in him. you have to follow the rules, the cannons, to obey him, to do what he says. if u don't you will be punished, end up in hell etc. the only choice u are given is to believe in him or not.
I have picked the second variant. I cannot love a god which rules through fear.
as for the bible u mention.. it was written by a bunch of men. how can anyone even imply it can be the word of god.. if it was said the man it's a sinner and impure.. how can it write something pure.. the god's word?
and plus.. the bible u are reading.. it isn't even the full book. there are a lots of passages which were NEVER published coz let me tell u something.. the bible is the chuch's way of manipulating ppl and masses. church is prolly one of the strongest influence power on this earth. |
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| I see the world ending for the poor. In the very near future it will be much more difficult to live comfortably on even a decent salary. Then the even poor population will turn to violence to live. It will be like back in the day when people would rob loaves of bread, and kill to sleep somewhere.
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Originally Posted by VBadGirl #21 not really the freedom which 'god' gives its an illusion. you have no freedom if u believe in him. you have to follow the rules, the cannons, to obey him, to do what he says. if u don't you will be punished, end up in hell etc. the only choice u are given is to believe in him or not.
I have picked the second variant. I cannot love a god which rules through fear.
as for the bible u mention.. it was written by a bunch of men. how can anyone even imply it can be the word of god.. if it was said the man it's a sinner and impure.. how can it write something pure.. the god's word?
and plus.. the bible u are reading.. it isn't even the full book. there are a lots of passages which were NEVER published coz let me tell u something.. the bible is the chuch's way of manipulating ppl and masses. church is prolly one of the strongest influence power on this earth. | The gnostic scrolls and dead sea scrolls intertwine with the Bible(many others I am sure)..It is the word of God..God spoke to them and guided them...they were human and were not perfect, you are right but they tried to live their lives as God wished...that is how it is the word of God! I am not a part of a church so just slow down right there, you aren't telling me anything lol..God gives us the freedom to choose right from wrong..what other choices shall He give us?? No human will ever be perfect and pure but we can choose His path and do the best we can to live his way and when we stumble, which we do, ask for forgiveness with a sincere heart! God gives us choices..no different than a parent giving their child a choice to do good or bad..with good choices come praises and with bad choices comes consequences to learn from.
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Originally Posted by Angelicpower God gives us choices.. | 1) Obey me and live happy
2) Disobey and burn in Hell forever
Thanks, God!
Anyway, in a post I made before that was unfortunately voided, I summed up my feelings of worry over the world ending as this: Don't. Do you worry over how/when you will die? I know I don't, at least.
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Originally Posted by garshu1 but hink about this CAN God make a boulder so big that he cant lift it? or could he make that than the infinity gauntlets from zelda and move it then or maybe im just crazy but would someone make a golem out of that rock and conquor te world knowing that God couldnt move it. the point is you wither believe or not end of discussion end of flaming just be friends. and the universe is likea marble only movies can explain it roflmao. | |
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| My personal opinion would have to be against the world ending relatively soon. However, I do still believe that the world is going to end through how it is described in the bible, but I'll be waiting for one of the more extreme signs, such as the great apostasy, a return of Enoch and Elijah, or the second coming of Christ would be enough.
Though I must point out that there has never been anything as close to having one universal currency. Perhaps you point out the Roman Empire or so forth, but they couldn't have effected the currency of say some of the groups of Native Americans that had currency. That said, we are still quite far away from anywhere close to that. Think about the tribes in Africa and so forth who barely have contact with the modern world. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Angelicpower Did anyone ever stop to think that God meant the end times signs were brought on by us...science has decided that they can be just as wise as God..alot of things we create, because of what science has taught us, is also the very thing that has caused death and destruction by our own hands. We have created things that have screwed our air up..the ozone layer is in trouble. All through the Bible he warns of what mankind is going to become and what kinds of destructions will happen if they don't follow the proper pathway... | Did you ever stop to think that God was the one who gave us the ability to reason and be able to undertake scientific activities? Or perhaps using this science is one a huge key to help us understand God, not to mention the world he created for us. And how is science to blame for the harm it has caused? Scientist "A" invents invention "B". Person "C" uses invention "B" for a purpose that will help many people. Person "D" uses the same science to hurt and kill people. It is not 'science' that hurts us, it is people using is immorally.
Other than becoming a clergy member or so forth, one of the ways to get closest to God is by using the gifts he gave us to help understand what he did (being a scientist). The expansion of our scientific knowledge is probably one of the most important and best things that has ever happened to both the world around us and religion. Quote: |
Originally Posted by VBadGirl as for the bible u mention.. it was written by a bunch of men. how can anyone even imply it can be the word of god.. if it was said the man it's a sinner and impure.. how can it write something pure.. the god's word? | Divine Inspiration.
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Originally Posted by VBadGirl #21 not really the freedom which 'god' gives its an illusion. you have no freedom if u believe in him. you have to follow the rules, the cannons, to obey him, to do what he says. if u don't you will be punished, end up in hell etc. the only choice u are given is to believe in him or not. | From the perspective of someone who believes in God it would be to the contrary. To people like myself I see people who do not believe in God as needing to hide from the truth or do not understand the truth that he exists, while people who do not point out God as a "crutch" and so forth. The point of what I'm saying is that from my belief, regardless of if you believe in him or not you will still receive the exact same punishments for the exact same injustices, there is no escaping that. So basically, either side of the argument works and there really is no substance in winning in either side. Quote: |
Originally Posted by VBadGirl and plus.. the bible u are reading.. it isn't even the full book. there are a lots of passages which were NEVER published coz let me tell u something.. the bible is the chuch's way of manipulating ppl and masses. church is prolly one of the strongest influence power on this earth. | Or according to Roman Catholic belief it is what God would want because this decision, like many others, are guided by the Holy Spirit and free from error. And I would have to agree on the second part, in my opinion the pope himself is the Vicar of Christ, making him the most important and most powerful man on earth, and the human head of the most powerful institution on the earth because it is the bride of Christ and the new Eve that preaches the true and infallaible word of God. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Angelicpower No human will ever be perfect and pure | From a Christian (your faith) belief this would be false because it has already happened - Jesus? Mary?
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Originally Posted by VBadGirl If the world will EVER end; it will be because of the destruction human kind has done around him and not some supernatural powers.
every single thing you do influences something. even the simple fact you are turning on the light to your room.. just the simple fact you are buying a coke-cola. you are using world's resources without giving much back.
we brought this upon us not some judging super power force which want to punish us.
#19 add to that, no more fuel, no more space to live, not enough food to sustain the entire population, disease.. and etc | Put down the tofu burger you tree lovin hippy.
Look out all Tipsy is on a roll.
No disrepect to you Sir, but, we have done this song and dance about religion before, and we both know their is no point in this debate, for you and I are srong in what we believe in. Not saying either or all is wrong, but even you must see some problems with the bible.
Just to point out a few.
1. No 1 person actually writes in the bible, but many do long after the death of christ.
2. Their are different views on "historical" facts within the bible. Case in pont: A. Matthew (may be wrong on the name) decribes the birth of christ as having 3 wise men witness the birth, to where another writes that 3 sheppards are viewing this. B. Mary Magdolin is said to be a prostitute, but it never once says so in the bible except for on 1 page, it mentions someone else as a prostite in a verse ahead of another in which she is mentioned. In actuallity it was first mentioned that she was a street walker by a English King back in the 16th century. C. As the topic of this thread is about the end of the world their are "signs" that will tell of the coming of the end. These signs are for the most part common place and happen on a regular bases somewhere in the world. Yes I do know their are others, that are yet to happen, but no one ever mentions those when speaking of the end of the world. D.How is one suppose to follow, when the church itself has agreed with statements of purposelly taking sections of the bible and leaving them out. I.E. Dead Sea Scrolls. E. In most cases in history, religion was a "fad" Christianity was actually looked at as a "devils cult" at one time. It was not even a major religion till King George(I beleive it to be) came into power and announced that this would be the new religion for the nation.
Also, does bartering/trading goods count as a currency, or must this be a actual trading of pressious metals, or a modern way of exchange? Because if not since the dawn of time, every somewhat inteligent lifeform has traded goods for needed things. I can almost garentee that a cave man with a animal pelt in the winter was offered many things for it so others could stay warm.
I am a religious man, but not highly, because I do not let it live my life. I do not need what some call " a guide" to hold my hand and walk me threw life. I do not look for things that are said to be in the bible, because I'm sure if I look hard enough and truely want to see them I will see something I can rationalize to be a devine sign.
We will undoutbedly go around in circle on this matter for days on end, becuase their is nothing concrete as to which is right or wrong, true or false, real or not. All I can say is, that as time continues, their will still be a debate over what is right science or religion. I know this will never be solved within my time line.
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Originally Posted by Zerglite | Without going into big detail, I'm pretty sure this guy has the right answer. The world is not going to end by anything you've all listed..maybe mankind..but not the world. The world is another word for the earth or the planet known as earth. When the sun says: "GG LOL *BOOM*" then it's all over.
The funny thing is..the world will NEVER end. Once the sun explodes and everything in a chain reaction goes with it, in a counter chain reaction everything will be reborn. It's a never ending cycle of life and death of planets. That's what space is.
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Originally Posted by Jason Without going into big detail, I'm pretty sure this guy has the right answer. The world is not going to end by anything you've all listed..maybe mankind..but not the world. The world is another word for the earth or the planet known as earth. When the sun says: "GG LOL *BOOM*" then it's all over.
The funny thing is..the world will NEVER end. Once the sun explodes and everything in a chain reaction goes with it, in a counter chain reaction everything will be reborn. It's a never ending cycle of life and death of planets. That's what space is. | Thank you Bill Nigh the science guy. If the sun was to burn out or even explode we would not know it till a day or so from now.
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Originally Posted by Angelicpower [font=Microsoft Sans Serif]they tried to live their lives as God wished [/color] | And my question is again where is the freedom your god gives if you have to do as he wants?
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God gives us the freedom to choose right from wrong
| heheh not quite.. he says.. do this coz its right and you will receive the kingdom of heavens.. do this (which is wrong) and you will burn in hell.
he tells you what is right and wrong.. and the 10 commandments are the proof to that. so.. where is the freedom again? you have to function on his definition of right and wrong not your own.
btw plz plz.. pretty please have mercy in your heart and don't write with black anymore ;//. Quote:
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| state of mind.. which has nothing to do with any super powers or anything divine. it requires certain emotional luggage to start certain things. for example if Bob (lets name him that) will start to believe in Bogus (our thing) he will start saying soon that this Bogus entity told him to do stuff.. to say stuff. And even if you clearly know that the Bogus is only in his mind that doesn't stop him to talk about him and believe its very much real. He talks to Bogus and he even sees bogus.
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Originally Posted by XxSworn_EnemyxX Thank you Bill Nigh the science guy. If the sun was to burn out or even explode we would not know it till a day or so from now. | Erm, we would know it 8 minutes after it happened. >_>
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Originally Posted by garshu1 but hink about this CAN God make a boulder so big that he cant lift it? or could he make that than the infinity gauntlets from zelda and move it then or maybe im just crazy but would someone make a golem out of that rock and conquor te world knowing that God couldnt move it. the point is you wither believe or not end of discussion end of flaming just be friends. and the universe is likea marble only movies can explain it roflmao. | |
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From a Christian (your faith) belief this would be false because it has already happened - Jesus? Mary?
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Originally Posted by VBadGirl heheh not quite.. he says.. do this coz its right and you will receive the kingdom of heavens.. do this (which is wrong) and you will burn in hell.
he tells you what is right and wrong.. and the 10 commandments are the proof to that. so.. where is the freedom again? you have to function on his definition of right and wrong not your own.
btw plz plz.. pretty please have mercy in your heart and don't write with black anymore ;//. | Actually being able to choose between right and wrong is freedom. Man has free will and can exercise it as he or she chooses. Here's a good quote talking about freedom as told by the Church:
"God created man a rational being, conferring on him the dignity of a person who can initiate and control his own actions. 'God willed that man should be 'left in the hand of his own counsel,' so that he might of his own accord seek his Creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him.' Man is rational and therefore like God; he is created with free will and is master over his acts." (CCC 1730)
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Originally Posted by VBadGirl state of mind.. which has nothing to do with any super powers or anything divine. it requires certain emotional luggage to start certain things. for example if Bob (lets name him that) will start to believe in Bogus (our thing) he will start saying soon that this Bogus entity told him to do stuff.. to say stuff. And even if you clearly know that the Bogus is only in his mind that doesn't stop him to talk about him and believe its very much real. He talks to Bogus and he even sees bogus.
anything divine in it? i don't think so. | So if you can show me any evidence saying that divine inspiration does not exist please do so. I have already clearly pointed out that it cannot be proven or disproven, even though there have been hundreds of years of debate on it by people very much smarter than us. Yet if you have found the knowledge disproving divine inspiration then please do share it. What you have done is turn your opinion into fact, when it is clearly unbackable. When it comes down to it, my belief is that the overall author of the bible is the Holy Spirit, and sense the Holy Spirit is one of the three parts of God, then the overall author is God.
And if you want me to throw my unbackable beliefs even further, I can say on top of the divine inspiration with which the bible is written, the Roman Catholic Church's magisterium is free from error when interpreting the bible and so forth due to it being guided by the Holy Spirit.
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Originally Posted by thejanitor If Jesus is God then he isn't a human (?). | Catholic belief goes along with mostly biblical views here. Divine Revelation prophesized, before Jesus came, that he would be an "incarnate in human flesh", and basically the physical manifestation of God on earth. Jesus was human, and yet as he claimed, he was also God, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). That's how it fits into the bible. Now, according to Catholic belief, Jesus had both divine and human intellect. Multiple times he was tempted by the devil in the bible due to his human weaknesses, yet even though he was susceptible to sin, he never did. Hopefully I explained that well enough.
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| Mary was not perfect(if she was please give me verse)..Jesus Christ was perfect, He is of God..and that is exactly what I mean..man I have to draw it out..Us humans here will never be perfect..we will always forever be flawed in one way or another and must ask for forgiveness..and yes it is humans using science for bad, for instance trying to rewrite the creation of the world..tools to cut trees down ever so quickly..machines to tear the earth up..many weapons invented..as I stated before the world will end because of our doings and God has warned us! He gave us the signs to watch for yet mankind won't change their ways of living..
Genesis 2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
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7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
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[20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
[21] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
The Book of 1st Timothy Chapter 6
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
Ecclesiastes 1
16 I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.
17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.
18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
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| there are numerous scientist projects researching the Placebo effect. (if u dunno what it is I'll explain it) and it was proved on some individuals it was just their mind playing tricks on them. there are a lot of things pointing out there is no divine inspiration.. and if i think better.. show me proof there is any of that, since you jumped ahead into that particular hole?
I got.. a big wish.. plz spare me with passages from bible. I've read it whole.. its fun to read in part.. but plz..
as for the freedom to speech you talk about, i see you have not gotten my point in my previous post and geeeeeeeez i hate repeating myself. please re-read it.
angelic.. lets just for a sec.. admit that Jesus was indeed son of god. yet.. he still did NOT write the bible. he was the only perfect, pure capable 'person' who could write that. but since he didn't.. well it still makes me view that bible only as.. a historic book.
some of those events cannot even be proved, where actually books which depict the history have ways of backing up their affirmations.. documentation. they have nothing palpable.. its only a fantasy made for weak minded ppl (sorry i don't mean any offense) which desperately need something to believe in and don't believe in themselves enough.
I for one i am not like that.. i don't expect anything from anyone i work fully for myself and i am responsible for my happiness not some divine force. as for heaven and hell.. well it sounds extremely boring.. living 100 years i think its quite enough. I wouldn't even want an eternal life. mostly coz.. eternity is just a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time. |
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| I believe in myself tyvm, no self esteem problems here...they are always discovering and unearthing ancient cities with ancient items as well..there is alot of proof that the Bible is true and correct so mankind really should change their ways and look to the well lit path with God!
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1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.
4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.
Isaiah 51
6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.
Isaiah 65
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Revelation 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Watch some documentary shows on how they have found and continue to find ancient places the Bible speaks of.
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Originally Posted by VBadGirl there are numerous scientist projects researching the Placebo effect. (if u dunno what it is I'll explain it) and it was proved on some individuals it was just their mind playing tricks on them. there are a lot of things pointing out there is no divine inspiration.. and if i think better.. show me proof there is any of that, since you jumped ahead into that particular hole? | The placebo effect has exactly what to do with divine inspiration? I'll use your logic and say since a sheep can be white it proves that God exists. Makes as much sense as what you are saying. You ask me why people can imply that the bible is the word of God and I answer your question giving the reason and specifically point out it is a matter of faith and now you ask me to prove it? Next thing I know you'll ask me to prove God exists.
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Originally Posted by VBadGirl I got.. a big wish.. plz spare me with passages from bible. I've read it whole.. its fun to read in part.. but plz.. | There is a huge difference between reading and understanding it. Quote: |
Originally Posted by VBadGirl as for the freedom to speech you talk about, i see you have not gotten my point in my previous post and geeeeeeeez i hate repeating myself. please re-read it. | Perhaps you should read my post again. Here it is for you:
"Actually being able to choose between right and wrong is freedom. Man has free will and can exercise it as he or she chooses. Here's a good quote talking about freedom as told by the Church:
"God created man a rational being, conferring on him the dignity of a person who can initiate and control his own actions. 'God willed that man should be 'left in the hand of his own counsel,' so that he might of his own accord seek his Creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him.' Man is rational and therefore like God; he is created with free will and is master over his acts." (CCC 1730)
We choose whether or not what to follow what is right or wrong. That is our freedom. We in essence choose whether we want to go to heaven or hell through our actions committed by our free will."
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Originally Posted by VBadGirl some of those events cannot even be proved, where actually books which depict the history have ways of backing up their affirmations.. documentation. they have nothing palpable.. | And once again you show your lack of understanding of the bible. I once again point out there is a difference between reading it and understanding it. Quote: |
Originally Posted by VBadGirl its only a fantasy made for weak minded ppl (sorry i don't mean any offense) which desperately need something to believe in and don't believe in themselves enough. | Any proof of this would be much appreciated. Assuming your opinions are fact with anything that supports them is entirely false.
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Originally Posted by Angelicpower Mary was not perfect(if she was please give me verse)..Jesus Christ was perfect, He is of God..and that is exactly what I mean..man I have to draw it out..Us humans here will never be perfect | Jesus was human. Mary was a human born without original sin and never sinned because of this. I was merely pointing out that there have been humans who have not sinned.
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| I... really don't think we would be dumb enough to nuke ourselves and kill off the planet.
I think we would all run out of resources, and just starve ourselves..
and @ Angelic: Yes, I'm sure Bible is really accurate, remembering EVERY single words that Jesus has said! Phew! I mean those people sure have excellent memory!
There is whole lot of conspiracy behind Christianity and Catholicism itself, about Jesus being married to Mary Magdelene or w/e blah blah blah, but really who cares in the end, its just human belief, we all need to believe in something...
And if Jesus was perfect, wouldn't he have been married and have a child, after all God did say "Be Fruitful"
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| Jesus is His Son..He had other plans for Jesus and there is still more to come...God isn't done yet. The world will end one day.
Mark 13
1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
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