I Pledge Allegiance...

[Bret]

I'll be quick with my thoughts.
America was borne of Christian essence.
America does NOT have a State Church. Does anyone even really know what a State Church is and WHY we (Amercans) broke away from it?
So we (Americans) can whorship (not not whorship) the Lord we believe in.
By saying " One nation under God..." does NOT limit it to the Christian godhead which so many uneducated people believe.
The line of verse was put in by God fearing men. Now a days we fear the ozone and ecosystem downfall which has been surviving by itself for longer than we have.
Seriously, anyone who can't stand the name of God being said is possessed and should seek medical help right a way.

[Forged]

By saying " One nation under God..." does NOT limit it to the Christian godhead which so many uneducated people believe.
The line of verse was put in by God fearing men.

I have two points here:

1. I don't believe in any god, so your point on numero uno is null.

2. The line "under god" was put in during the macarthy era to destinquish ourselves from the atheist ussr. They put the line in out of spite....

[Tupac Amaru Shakur]

Originally Posted by jd-inflames

I was suspended for a week when I was in 3rd grade for refusing to say that part of the pledge.

Evidentally they can count that as defiance.

Wow, thats crazy, what is defiance btw?

[Bret]

Originally Posted by Forged

I have two points here:

1. I don't believe in any god, so your point on numero uno is null.

2. The line "under god" was put in during the macarthy era to destinquish ourselves from the atheist ussr. They put the line in out of spite....

If you don't believe in God fine. You don't have to say it when it comes up. But to take it away from other people. That's not right. The more we take away the less we'll become. God has always been a part of American history and to deny it is shameful on our parts. There are a lot less people who don't believe in God than there are people who DO believe in a godhead.

Regarding number two. If spite was the only factor the MaCarthy ers could have used a lot more lines and words than just "under God" to destinquish ourselves from the USSR.

[Forged]

Your argument makes no sense really. If we wanted to honor our countrys heritage why didn't we leave the pledge the way it had been for the last 100 years... "Under God" ads nothing to the pledge. If anything it helps prove the point that americans are stupid.

[thebastardsword]

you dont have to swear on the bible in court anymore, i dont see why the pledge would be any different

[TheJanitor]

I agree with the person who says you shouldn't have to recite a retarded oath. Got a lack of patriotism? Maybe it's because you cram it down your childrens throats. Like JD said, he was punished for not saying 'under god' and that is completely retarded, it's descrimination of religion - or lack of one. Forced to accept a religion? Can anyone say 'crusades'? From a purely 'lets perserve history!' point of view take it out and keep it like it was for the 100 years.

[Angelicpower]

OK..for all you damn sorry ass God-haters...stop spending the money and bitch about that! In God We Trust..on your money!!!!! Thats right evil doers....go burn your money ever so quickly..Doesn't that money sting your hand?? I mean God is on it..and I would imagine anyone who spends it agrees with the words on it..IN GOD WE TRUST!!!!! BURN YOUR MONEY IF YOU REALLY WANNA KEEP ON THIS PLEDGE YOU HYPOCRITES!!!!!

[thebastardsword]

i circled where it says FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE...its basically a bank note for 1 dollar made for use in the united states...made by the federal reserve...which is a private corporation...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve

The Federal Reserve System is an "independent entity within the government"

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by Angelicpower

OK..for all you damn sorry ass God-haters...stop spending the money and bitch about that! In God We Trust..on your money!!!!! Thats right evil doers....go burn your money ever so quickly..Doesn't that money sting your hand?? I mean God is on it..and I would imagine anyone who spends it agrees with the words on it..IN GOD WE TRUST!!!!! BURN YOUR MONEY IF YOU REALLY WANNA KEEP ON THIS PLEDGE YOU HYPOCRITES!!!!!

Wait a second, how does not wanting "under God" in the pledge make you a "God-hater"? I would say that forcing people to believe in God would be closer to being a "God-hater" because it would be going against Jesus' teachings of tolerance. It is only a Christian’s responsibility to spread the word of Jesus, it is not our responsibility to force people to believe in it.

Also, maybe instead of burning the money and symbolically shooting yourself in the foot, they should instead ask that it just be taken off?

Anywho, I just want you to know that I am a Roman Catholic and support "under God" being taken out of our pledge.

[Angelicpower]

Originally Posted by Tipsy

Wait a second, how does not wanting "under God" in the pledge make you a "God-hater"? I would say that forcing people to believe in God would be closer to being a "God-hater" because it would be going against Jesus' teachings of tolerance. It is only a Christian’s responsibility to spread the word of Jesus, it is not our responsibility to force people to believe in it.

Also, maybe instead of burning the money and symbolically shooting yourself in the foot, they should instead ask that it just be taken off?

Anywho, I just want you to know that I am a Roman Catholic and support "under God" being taken out of our pledge.

That is ridicules..they won't ever ask for the money to change...once they demoralise everything/everyone and they are in complete control of it all, maybe then they will change it. Tell me, if they don't hate God then why are they making a fuss, they are slowly removing God from everything but yet they have no trouble whatsoever spending the money..I have yet to hear any case of someone crying over the words on the back of the note above government buildings(for you fatty avatar guy that circled the front)..and as far as getting in trouble for not saying the God part, I would imagine the kid was making a scene to be so noticed at that very moment..At least these schools here aren't going to punish you for not saying a couple a words..I can't believe that people don't see what this is...EVIL VS GOOD! I am a non-denominational believer, belief is in God, Jesus, and the Bible(still studying up on scrolls found)..but I also know that many religions have some form of God..even the evil, which is Satan! The end times are upon us and I believe that all the signs are there!!

[thebastardsword]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar

"The United States dollar, or American dollar, is the official currency of the United States. It is also widely used as a reserve currency outside the United States. Currently, the issuance of currency is controlled by the Federal Reserve Banking systems."

so the way i see it: since the federal reserve gets their name printed on the front of every bill, they descide what ultimitly goes on the bill.

[Angelicpower]

Originally Posted by thebastardsword

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar

"The United States dollar, or American dollar, is the official currency of the United States. It is also widely used as a reserve currency outside the United States. Currently, the issuance of currency is controlled by the Federal Reserve Banking systems."

so the way i see it: since the federal reserve gets their name printed on the front of every bill, they descide what ultimitly goes on the bill.

Same with the pledge..we are not in control of what is in the pledge..so shush up

[thebastardsword]

Originally Posted by Angelicpower

Same with the pledge..we are not in control of what is in the pledge..so shush up

i wonder why its not up to the people...why dont the people descide whether it stays in or not? why does it always go to senate? arnt we the ones saying the pledge? im thinking its not up to the govt to take out the words of the pledge, its up to us to convince the majority of americans not a few hundred in senate

[Angelicpower]

Originally Posted by thebastardsword

i wonder why its not up to the people...why dont the people descide whether it stays in or not? why does it always go to senate? arnt we the ones saying the pledge? im thinking its not up to the govt to take out the words of the pledge, its up to us to convince the majority of americans not a few hundred in senate

LOL..too bad..just as with the money! How can people make a fuss over 1 thing that says God and not the other thing that says God~~both controlled by the government, not the people!!?!! Now shush up until you wanna fight the government over the words on money as well...and don't spend the money..live like amish, no cars, grow your own food, make your own clothing etc.! If/When they take away the words from pledge and money, then start saying the pledge and spending the money..you can't fuss about 1 without fussing about the other!

[Roach Of Discord]

Originally Posted by Angelicpower

Same with the pledge..we are not in control of what is in the pledge..so shush up

So if it said 'one nation, under satan' you'd be fine with that, right? . Better not complain, they told us not to! Puhleez.

The point is, everyone has the freedom of religion. We can be Christians, Budhists, Satanists, Pagans..whatever. Why would we have a pledge that is supposably intended to be something that represents the nation as a whole...say that we are a nation under god. Especially since many people in this lovely country don't even believe in 'god'...or any god for that matter. Should that really be included in the pledge? If you say yes..once again...refer to my first statement. It's fine because you believe in god, right? Also, what happened to the 'seperation of church and state' law? Where did that go? It's only in affect when the government wants it to be? Odd. Saying 'under god' doesn't hurt anyone...yet it's a matter of principle.

[Angelicpower]

Originally Posted by RoaCh Of DisCord

So if it said 'one nation, under satan' you'd be fine with that, right? . Better not complain, they told us not to! Puhleez.

The point is, everyone has the freedom of religion. We can be Christians, Budhists, Satanists, Pagans..whatever. Why would we have a pledge that is supposably intended to be something that represents the nation as a whole...say that we are a nation under god. Especially since many people in this lovely country don't even believe in 'god'...or any god for that matter. Should that really be included in the pledge? If you say yes..once again...refer to my first statement. It's fine because you believe in god, right? Also, what happened to the 'seperation of church and state' law go? It's only in affect when the government wants it to be? Odd. Saying 'under god' doesn't hurt anyone...yet it's a matter of principle.

Come on roach..read them all..I have stated many times that every religion has a God of some form in leadership..even the evil ones, Satan is their God..so yeah it is one nation under God..whoever your God is!! What about the money roach..where is your complaint of that and why are you spending it, it says in God we trust?! Do you trust your God and that is why you say nothing? Well, we are one nation under God..whoever that God may be individually! As I said before I have yet to hear a case about the money having God involved it!

[Roach Of Discord]

Is that your only argument?

With money, you don't have to stand up in the middle of a classroom and whip out your dollar bill and say 'in god we trust'. Also, the money is property of the government. Property of the government. They can put anything their little hearts desire on it. Bitch and moan all we want, nothing will change with that.

Didn't I also mention that not everyone believes in a god at all?

[thebastardsword]

Originally Posted by RoaCh Of DisCord

Didn't I also mention that not everyone believes in a god at all?

too bad? isnt that the governments current descision?

what would be wrong with saying, if you dont like it, leave?( i do have an idea as to what...but if the gov.t seriously had that stand)

[Angelicpower]

Originally Posted by RoaCh Of DisCord

Is that your only argument?

With money, you don't have to stand up in the middle of a classroom and whip out your dollar bill and say 'in god we trust'. Also, the money is property of the government. Property of the government. They can put anything their little hearts desire on it. Bitch and moan all we want, nothing will change with that.

Didn't I also mention that not everyone believes in a god at all?

You still don't read the other posts I have put in here..regardless roach, people do look at money and see what it says..come on, people know what is printed on the money..it even says it on our coins! About those that have no belief of any kind in a God/religion ~ don't say those words...kids get bored with saying the pledge anyway.I remember what it was like and yeah it sucked every morning to stand there when I was dead tired and wanted to sit down! Just don't say that part..bleep the God part out..say one nation under bleep. Don't they say the children learn first at home..get your child prepared for school teachings just as I had to concerning the big bang theory! I also don't believe everything taught in history..like thanksgiving(native americans slaughtered)! Get your kids prepared just as us believers have had to..give and take!

EDIT:Anyway you look at it..you still can't complain without complaining about the other!They are in control of the pledge as with the money..change the money then..it is wrong but do what you may! how about those who believe it should stay in there stand ground and if it gets taken out..refuse to recite or even put your arm up to your heart..I would lose respect for them if they took it out because the majority of the country believes in some form of GOD!!!