Cloning

[Tupac Amaru Shakur]

Before i started this thread i searched the AS forum and found no threads with the title cloning in it or a thread with no such title but discussing cloning directly, so i am sure this hasnt been discussed before. If it has some how i apologize and will accept any bash/warning i get.

Have you guys seen the movie I,Robot? Well if you havent go see it. Its very good and will say a lot that will probably get posted in this thread. But do you guys thinking the cloning of human beings is wrong or its ok?
I for one dont like the idea because of what my religion states. I think i asked my parents and they said it was playing God, which is really what i think to. Im not sure if cloning is a sin but i may be, someone clarify on that. Its also a bad thing because it could very well imbalance nature or somehow the future because people that were suppose to die are still alive and will continue to live considering that cloning will be inexpensive after many years of using the technology and making it less costly in hospitals and for hospitals.

Although i can side with other people when they say it is a good idea because then we could keep people like Martin Luther King alive, if he were to still be alive he could do great things just like he did when he was alove or hospitals can clone humans that have organs that are rare or are in high demand for people that need an organ or are waiting for one. Like that movie with that Black Guy that got a gun and controlled a hospital and wanted his son to get an organ with force. The list for people that are waiting for organs could very well decrease in lenght or be eliminated because of cloning.

Well some types of cloning have already been successfull like animals right? Are those types of cloning ok or wrong as well?

[Zerglite]

Misconception about cloning.

When you clone somebody, you arent making another them, you are making an entirely different person with different feelings, tendencies, ect.



the whole controversy over it is, who does the clone belong to?...

[Snagg]

Also, does the clone have a soul? Conscience? Would they go to church?

[Venice_native]

To quote somthing I once heard

"If we don't play God, who will?"

[FuLouZero]

I don't like cloning because its not really the safest thing in the world if your trying to bring back something extinct but thats probally be better in another thread. Im agaisnt cloning animals because you know that there going to use that in the food industry and for humans I really don't think they'll be so stable being born in a labrotory with no family.. They would most likely grow up to be serial killers.

[Venice_native]

The bad side I could see to it, would be messing up the evoluation cycle (which has nothing to do with God). If we keep making copies of older, lesser bodies, we won't advance at all and stay stuck in a state of what might seem like content, but life could get more evolved with newer people.

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by Diatenshi

Misconception about cloning.

When you clone somebody, you arent making another them, you are making an entirely different person with different feelings, tendencies, ect.



the whole controversy over it is, who does the clone belong to?...

Who knows? You may not be entirely correct on this matter, unless we actually clone a person, we will never know about their mental behaviours and such.

I believe, Cloning should be prohibited, I don't see any reasons in cloning a person first off, it would just create a freak-society if you clone some of us for just scientific advances, etc... What if one of me commit a crime? They won't know for sure who did it, would we have to keep track of every human beings on earth then? Or have some special marks on our clones? No, theres conflict of moral issues and scientific issues here I think, and we should abide with our moral issues on this one.

And tupac, don't you mean... Island? I,Robot didn't have clones in there did they?

[_JaKE]

wasnt there sum story about how this lady cloned herself into a sperm and gave birth to a clone of herself?
i dont think cloneing is wrong. but i think that, like fu lou says, noone wants to grow up in a lab getting tests all day. seriously.

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by Jakester

wasnt there sum story about how this lady cloned herself into a sperm and gave birth to a clone of herself?
i dont think cloneing is wrong. but i think that, like fu lou says, noone wants to grow up in a lab getting tests all day. seriously.

Probably not true, if it was, then it should've been on the news all day long. And I don't think human cloning is legal, but sadly, animal cloning is legal though, bit hypocritical isn't it?

I think humans are breaking balance of the world as of now, cloning ourselves would do more damage.

[_JaKE]

lol can u imagine clones all over the place..there woould no room 4 anyone cus like there would be 4000 trillion people walking around. plus gansters, murderers, theeives, and mops would clone themselves and world war 3,4,5,6,7,8, and 9 would break out, there would be total world destuction.

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by Jakester

lol can u imagine clones all over the place..there woould no room 4 anyone cus like there would be 4000 trillion people walking around. plus gansters, murderers, theeives, and mops would clone themselves and world war 3,4,5,6,7,8, and 9 would break out, there would be total world destuction.

Exactly, so how can we expect to have these clones in the world? It just seem so pointless and time consuming to even research about cloning humans.

[Jimbo]

Cloning is one step closer to human perfection.

[Magikarp]

I've always considered cloning part of the argument that humans are merely the sum of their experiences and genetics. If you had two people identical down to every individual chromosome, and placed them in perfectly identical environments (Therein lies the difficulty), they would probably do identical things. You could maybe do it with single-celled bacteria, but it would be very, very hard. And even if people had a soul, it would just be another defining factor.

People cannot escape the indisputable flow of life.

As for the more public argument against cloning, such as ethics of making two of the same people (genetically), I don't see why religious types get annoyed about it (And maybe a lot of them don't, but for those who do: ) it is never mentioned in the Bible, and I can't think of anything close to it, so there really isn't a strong case about it for Christians, and haven't heard general opinions about it from other religions (Although I have a decent hunch about Muslims).

Originally Posted by Fu_lou

Im agaisnt cloning animals because you know that there going to use that in the food industry

I'm guessing you eat meat.

I guess if I said "What difference does it make if we have more animals?" would be like saying "So what if I kill more than one person." I don't think it matters so much, though: a lot of animals that are killed are killed fairly quickly, and animals like cows and chickens get the oppurtunity to grow. There are some somewhat nasty cases though, like foie gras (I believe that's how it's spelt).

[FuLouZero]

Originally Posted by Venice_native

The bad side I could see to it, would be messing up the evoluation cycle (which has nothing to do with God). If we keep making copies of older, lesser bodies, we won't advance at all and stay stuck in a state of what might seem like content, but life could get more evolved with newer people.

Wow, I never thought of it like that.

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by Jim Morrison

Cloning is one step closer to human perfection.

Human perfection cannot exist, and explain how that would lead us to human 'perfection'?

[Dark Blade]

Originally Posted by Fu_lou

They would most likely grow up to be serial killers.

What the hell? You just pulled this statistic straight up out of your ass. You have absolutely no proof to back up this statement. I could just easily go the other way and say that, "Clones will become superheros and shoot fire out of their ass." Now please think before you make another stupid assumption.


Also, who's to say that we will even let clones live freely? We could simply clone organs just in case the person of whom the clone was created for has organ failure or some disease.

[Venice_native]

You guys do realize, with how cloning works, all your are doing is duplicating cells, and you more than likely could clone a single organ, right?

[Tupac Amaru Shakur]

Very good ideas yall. i have seem this movie, an old ass one but in it some scientist brought back a guy to life. Either he used too much of some chemical or the reincarnation of the man was the reason why he was a rabid animal that couldnt talk and was foaming at the mouth. How could we clone a soul or thoughts or a brain for that matter. Isnt it said that we only control 10% of our minds? Wouldnt we have to master 100% of control of our mids to clone wouldnt we?

Originally Posted by NtRik_

And tupac, don't you mean... Island? I,Robot didn't have clones in there did they?

Ah shit ur right my bad :rollie

Originally Posted by NtRik_

Human perfection cannot exist, and explain how that would lead us to human 'perfection'?

i think so to.

Originally Posted by Dark Blade

We could simply clone organs just in case the person of whom the clone was created for has organ failure or some disease.

Thats what i was thinkig as well, not clone whole humans but organs to save lives. That doesnt contribute to the evolution of lesser bodies does it?

[TheJanitor]

Very good ideas yall. i have seem this movie, an old ass one but in it some scientist brought back a guy to life. Either he used too much of some chemical or the reincarnation of the man was the reason why he was a rabid animal that couldnt talk and was foaming at the mouth. How could we clone a soul or thoughts or a brain for that matter. Isnt it said that we only control 10% of our minds? Wouldnt we have to master 100% of control of our mids to clone wouldnt we?

No.

The bad side I could see to it, would be messing up the evoluation cycle (which has nothing to do with God). If we keep making copies of older, lesser bodies, we won't advance at all and stay stuck in a state of what might seem like content, but life could get more evolved with newer people.

Wrong. Evolution can only possibly be conducted properly, and not to a great extent and not for very long in the Arfrican and extremely poor parts of the world, and I doubt they will be cloning.

[Venice_native]

Originally Posted by Thejanitor

No. Wrong. Evolution can only possibly be conducted properly, and not to a great extent and not for very long in the Arfrican and extremely poor parts of the world, and I doubt they will be cloning.

Would you care to atleast try to make a decent attempt to backup anything you say?