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Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

some specifics that make it a person:

Bieng an individual. A fetus fails at bieng an individual. It is not existing as a distinct entity. It is not separate. The fetus for most does not have a consciousness. In no way shape or form does it have any "sense of its identity, attitudes, beliefs, or characteristics." The fetus is not aware of its situation. It doesn't know the creation of it was started from the fathers sperm, or the mothers egg. The fetus never came to a conclusion in thinking it was inside of a women, and would be for another 9 months.

so a newborn, or someone with severe alzheimers, or someone in a coma, in your opinion is not an individual because it has no "sense of its identity, attitudes, beliefs, or characteristics." it is not aware of its situation. It doesn't know the creation of it was started from the fathers sperm, or the mothers egg. it never came to a conclusion in thinking it was inside of a women,

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

"Bieng a living human"


Human genetics
The fetus will have the human genetic structure of DNA before it is given birth to. The fact alone that the genetic human structure of DNA is not the only thing that makes it a "Living human" though.

When a persons finger gets cut off, that finger still shares this same identical human genetic structure of DNA. The finger shows to be still alive and able to function in many cases after bieng re-attached. (So if the only classification of a human is its DNA structure, than this finger is a living human. If it would be a living human, than it should have rights to. The man should be put on trial for the crime. That is to say, that anything with the human structure DNA is a living human.)

you forget one thing, a human finger does not have a heart, lungs, brain, liver, kidneys, intestines, a stomach, a circulatory system, and every other part necessary for life on its own. even if all these parts haven't developed enough to support life, they are there.

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

People have characteristics of an Individual personality. Does your fetus love a great comedy? Does it prefere the blue hat over the red one? No, obviously it doesnt, because it has not developed a full personality yet. Sure it can have a potential personality, but not a full personality.

does a newborn love a great comedy and prefer the blue hat over the red one?

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

Another thing that makes it a person:
Physical appearance of the human body. As it keeps growing it becomes to look more and more like a human. It wasn't always that way though. Used to look like that dot you drew on your notepad last week. Iv never seen a human that looked like that.

ever heard of John Merrick? he must not be human because i've never seen a human look like that.
by the 14th week of a normal pregnancy there would be no doubt in anyones mind that the embryo is human. it looks just like a little baby.

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

Every fetus has an umbilical cord right?
Well I sure can't remember the last time I seen a human walking around with an umbilical cord attached to it. Can you remember the last time you did? You know the reason you can't remember? Because you never seen one that did.

ever hear of pace makers? diabetic insulin pumps? or even life support?
does being hooked up to one of these mean you are not human?

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

Once it developed into a human with its own consciousness and is in its own entity without depending on its mothers umbilical cord, than it would have rights. As long as it is dependant on its host (The mothers womb) it should have no rights.

dependant on its host like children? or special needs people? alzheimers patients? or quadriplegics?
maybe none of them should have any rights because they are dependent on others


i would love to continue, but i'm at work right now.
if i have time i'll finish when i get home.
-edit-
ok, now that i'm home i can continue

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

Not only is it a change of environment, but a separation making it its own entity,removing its needed umbilical cord that it depended on for the last 9 months to keep living, growing, and keep developing untill this day. and setting the date from that moment on now has its own rights.

man you've beaten this to death and beyond, so i'll post something else about it.
three words "failure to thrive", in bad cases children form the time they are born until they are 2 or 3 need to be tube fed.

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

For the reasons I have explained a fetus is a potential human with potential rights. Not to be confused with the existing rights an existing person has.

LOL, replace the words "a fetus is" with the sentence "the Iraqi people are" and you'd swear to god it came from one of George Bush's speeches

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

Aye yes, But, unfortunately for your argument, this person on life support is not a potential human. He now is no longer attached to his mothers womb, nor umbilical cord he was fed threw from the first day he begin to develop.

whats the difference between that and feeding your children until they're 18 and leave your house?

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

First of all you are only found guilty when proven so by the court of law. The fetus was never taken to court sense it does not contain the same rights. Secondly sense it never went to court, it could of never been found guilty. Lastly, the fetus was not terminated the same way the serial killer was. No one is going to give the fetus a lethal injection, or strap it down to the electric chair.

no, the things they do a fetus in an abortion are 10 times worse than lethal injection or the electric chair.
to be torn apart, cut to pieces, burned to death.. or my personal favorite- partial birth abortion: Performed during the late second or third trimester. Using ultrasound, the abortionist grasps the baby's leg with forceps, and partially forcefully delivers all but the head. Scissors are then jammed into the back of the babies skull, and the wound is pryed open. A powerful vacuum tube is inserted and sucks out the baby's brain.

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

For anyone to state that bieng born is just a part of some life cycle is so absurd. Before the child was born, it was conceived. The time when the sperm entered the egg is merely an event in the life cycle. This would be the first process needed in order for it to later become a human, and get human rights. Calling it a event in the life cycle is so stupid.

are you even conscious of what you are saying or are you completely oblivious to the stupidity in that statement?

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

Or even somthing further that would prove why birth is a huge deal. A person who die's is given an autopsy. A person who is killed is given an autopsy. A person who kills them self is given an autopsy. And a person given the death sentence is even given an autopsy. How come when an abortion, misscarriage, or some other early termination occures, that they don't give an autopsy unless the mother was killed also?.

an autopsy is usually done to determine the cause of death, a suicide would have one done to make sure it was a suicide and not a murder, i haven't actually heard of one being done after an execution. what part of having your brains sucked out with a vacuum leaves a doubt as to waht killed you and requires an autopsy?

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

Its just too bad for the fetus that it is a Potential human -We know this because the word "Potential" is exactly what the embryo/fetus is doing. (Incase you do not know what it means:The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being."
A human is an individual. A fetus is not existing as a distinct entity. It is not separate. Making it dependent on survival by living in a host. Remove the host, and the fetus is toast.

like insulin, stop giving it to diabetics and half the population of the earth will die

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

Or what about the way a human looks.
Well I sure can't remember the last time I seen a human walking around with an umbilical cord attached to it. Can you remember the last time you did? You know the reason you can't remember? Because you never seen one that did. The fetus has to be attached to, while living inside its host or it will not grow, will not develop, will not have potential for anything.

ummm.. insulin pumps, pace makers, colostomy bags, life support, oxygen, dialysis... need i go on?

Originally Posted by OneEliteMof0

Don't you honestly see the flaw in that right there? In the human life cycle, the human DNA structure doesn't change. Even after you die. But should dead people have rights also? Well they have the same human DNA structure and look what they do to the dead.
So just like a dead person who has the exact Same DNA structure. He is no longer a living human being. Just as a fetus is not a living human being. A fetus is a "Living human being to come" the title for the rights is a "human being" not a "human becomming"

big difference, a fetus grows, a corpse doesn't