[Angelicpower]

Originally Posted by RoaCh Of DisCord

At the moment, yes that's how it is. .



If that's the case, should is be there? You still skip my questions.

Also..I guess the nation wasn't 'under god' until about 50 years or so, when these two little words were added. Was that really needed? If the nation was 'under god'..wouldn't that mean that their was really no freedom of religion? This entire thing may be silly...and you're right, if you don't like it don't say it (unless it's removed)..but you do seem pretty damn one sided and stubborn on this issue. As you say, if we don't like it...don't say it..okay... but what if it were removed? Couldn't you just as easily add whatever word you want? Which is more logical...to say that the whole nation is 'under god' when it truly isn't...or just take that part out and leave it up to the individual? You also say that I skip people's responses? Uhh..you've never answered my question..or said anything about my comment on the 'seperation between church and state'. In reality, it's an obvious violation of the constitution..like it or not.

Here's a question for you, do you also believe that organized prayer in public schools is fine? You say that if you're against the pledge, you must also be against money...but forcing these words into the pledge (which happens to be a representation of our country as a whole), and having organized prayer in school...really....happen to be quite similar..except for the fact that one happens to be outlawed. If you agree with one, you must agree with the other, right? Essentially it's the same concept. Religion mixing in with state.

Also...for clarity, in the past..I've never really cared about those words. I always chose not to say the pledge all together, ever.

Seperation from church and state meant they do not control churches, this is schools and state actually, no church involved or particular religion...I am not one sided..as I stated before, which you seem to only focus on certain parts, I had to prepare my kids for the one sided of it all ~ science teaching the big bang theory for instance..read all the posts roach..it is give and take..as bastard pointed out the hand on the Bible has been taken out of courts..this is why I say the ones fussing are God-haters..they do not want to give and take..prayer in schools is a seperate thing..prayer is church but I don't see the harm if a teacher gets a note signed by each parent for prayer..those parents that say no, send the kids to lunch a couple of minutes earlier..take out darwin teaching if we can't have God in the pledge..it offends me and my family..God created all! Money is a huge representaion of all countries! Come on we put presidents and leaders on monies of the world!! You are forced to spend money that the people who created it had a belief and trust in God...why aren't people ashamed of that? The pledge is not a religious hymn or prayer from a church! The bigger one that represents the country is the national anthem..not the pledge anyway. The olympics do the anthems..not the pledges!