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Originally Posted by Cappy I disagree. Islam is a religion of death. Tell me then why the majority of terrorists in the world are indeed Islamic. There are the well knowns, the PLO, Hamas, Black September, Al-Quaida, and they are just some of the many Islamic terrorist groups out there.
I'll give a brief history of the PLO:
The PLO was formed in 1964 as terrorist organization controled by Yasser Arafat's al-Fatah. Four years later Arafat became the chairman of the PLO. Then in 1974 he received recognition by the United Nations and by Arab states as a government in exile.
Too bad Palestine had to be recognized to be a State. :susp
Don't believe that Islam is so bad? Sure! Other countries have their terrorists as well. Even Israel. Here is a link. Please tell me why the Islamic and Palestinian groups have the longest list. http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki..._organizations |
So, since the people claim to be following the teachings of Islam they automatically are? For example, under the "Christian Terrorists" in the the list you provided in your link, the Klu Klux Klan is there. Those people claim to be doing what Jesus would have wanted in their religious terror, so does that mean they are doing what Jesus would have wanted? I guess since this one extremist group of Christains known as the KKK claims that white people are superior I guess that is what Jesus preached. Looks like Jesus preached hate, intolerance, and death, or atleast through the logic you have given he does.
I read the phrase somewhere that went along the lines of saying that when Osama Bin Laden had the planes hijacked on 9/11, that is not the only thing he hijacked, he hijacked Islam as well. Islam just seems to be the easiest religion to take advantage of these days.
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Originally Posted by Cappy The Jews and Muslims have been in that part of the world for a very long time. They have fought over land for many many years. The Jewish people have a very small piece of the land so why are the Muslims complaining and blowing things up all the time over a little piece of land. Because they want Jews dead. All of them. |
And as I showed above, the Quran specifically quotes Moses saying that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews. To cite the verse from earlier, "Moses said to his people: O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you when He bestowed prophets upon you, and made you kings and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers." (Quran - Chapter 5:20-21).
As it says, it "has [been] written" by Allah that the Holy Land belongs to the Jews. There is absolutely no justification for
any person following the Quran as their holy book to believe otherwise. This isn't hatred from Islam, it is hatred from people who use Islam as a rallying cry.
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Originally Posted by Cappy Some of you remember 9/11. A bad day, now try living that everyday in Israel. These terrorist groups are only lead by the devil himself. Killing and murdering people, and we sit back and safely say..."killing is never justified" So we can't protect others? And "its their land anyway." Bullshit. This is one reason I voted for President Bush. At least he is taking care of these monsters. |
Perhaps people are killed by terrorist groups everyday in Israel, but that doesn't mean the people who are doing it are following their religion. Perhaps with Afghanistan and Iraq becoming democracies with freedoms many people can read and learn what the Quran really means instead of rallying behind extremists. That is what needs to be done, though I personally do believe that this could have been done in a more peaceful fashion, as in without going to war with Iraq, but what is done is done and we must make the best of the situation.
If the political leaders and terrorist leaders in the Middle East were truly concerned with following the Quran they would be asking for Israel to gain land by restoring the land given to the twelve tribes of Israel by their god, Allah.
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Originally Posted by Schizophrenic I am aware that the muslims of the average people are very religious and non violent. My statement was regarding the Extremists like bin Laden and his rebels who find just cause in attacking. |
My statement is that no Muslim, extremist or not, can justify destroying Israel, murdering innocent people, and so forth with the Quran. Some actions could be justified through the Quran if innocent people were not harmed, but they are in no way justified through their religion.
If you are saying that extremists do have a just cause to murder innocent people and destroy the state of Israel then please enlighten me. After all, you cannot honestly say the Muslims were kicked out of their land because the Jews were in that land before Islam was even created.